Comments on: U.S. and Rwanda to blame for Congo’s human catastrophe http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/ Black liberation news and views Thu, 24 May 2012 07:13:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Skym http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-3834 Skym Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:55:13 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-3834 Let's also stop saying it's only the Tutsi who have been genocide. They all have done the same to the Hutus, in Rwanda. Am not so sure about the dates but it is around 1997 and the same has been done in Congo. To be franc, FDLR's are now instruments of the Tutsi, they have surrendered themselves and no one is chasing anyone, they work together. Maybe I should not say FDLR's but the majority Hutu tribe. Now with their selfish desire of conquering the Congo. they lately wrote a letter to the president Joseph Kabila, conjointly saying that a certain tribe called "Banande" I believe in the Nord Kivu is trying to take their lands...In DR Congo!!!here is the link but it's in french http://www.benilubero.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1616&Itemid=2 How incredible is that!!! And according to the letter, The Hutu and Tutsi are peaceful communities who always live in peace with their fellow neighbors!!! This is crazy!! We all know if there is war in Congo, it's all about Hutu and Tutsi. Now how can anyone explain that? Now they are bringing their nonsense of Ethnicity from Rwanda to Congo. Why is it that now they are not satisfied with minerals, they even want full control of the land? Actually that explains the reason why houses have been on and on burned in that region. To be short, Rwanda's greed has gone to far, and it is time to end the lies. Let's not dramatize the situation, we all know the truth, it is all about minerals and to which the international community uses Rwanda and Uganda to illicitly exploit. So to make it simple, since the FDLR hypothesis is becoming to much of a lie, now they want to over rule the real owners of the land by burning their houses, chiefs and all those inhuman actions. Let's stop being bias, lets be real! Let’s also stop saying it’s only the Tutsi who have been genocide. They all have done the same to the Hutus, in Rwanda. Am not so sure about the dates but it is around 1997 and the same has been done in Congo. To be franc, FDLR’s are now instruments of the Tutsi, they have surrendered themselves and no one is chasing anyone, they work together. Maybe I should not say FDLR’s but the majority Hutu tribe.
Now with their selfish desire of conquering the Congo. they lately wrote a letter to the president Joseph Kabila, conjointly saying that a certain tribe called “Banande” I believe in the Nord Kivu is trying to take their lands…In DR Congo!!!here is the link but it’s in french

http://www.benilubero.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1616&Itemid=2

How incredible is that!!! And according to the letter, The Hutu and Tutsi are peaceful communities who always live in peace with their fellow neighbors!!! This is crazy!!
We all know if there is war in Congo, it’s all about Hutu and Tutsi. Now how can anyone explain that? Now they are bringing their nonsense of Ethnicity from Rwanda to Congo.
Why is it that now they are not satisfied with minerals, they even want full control of the land?
Actually that explains the reason why houses have been on and on burned in that region.

To be short, Rwanda’s greed has gone to far, and it is time to end the lies. Let’s not dramatize the situation, we all know the truth, it is all about minerals and to which the international community uses Rwanda and Uganda to illicitly exploit. So to make it simple, since the FDLR hypothesis is becoming to much of a lie, now they want to over rule the real owners of the land by burning their houses, chiefs and all those inhuman actions.
Let’s stop being bias, lets be real!

]]> By: Skym http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-3833 Skym Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:18:41 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-3833 MIchael, you are somewhere right about ethnicity, but something you should not forget is that ethnicity is between Hutus and Tutsis. Before 1994 there was no ethnicity problem in DRC. So do not call that a DRC problem but a Rwanda problem in Congo. Besides, if Nkunda is there to protect the tutsis in DRC, lately the the Rwandese army conjointly with DRC went for the hunt of these FDLR, well I guess you know the results. First proclamed by the Rwandese goverment as a success. And not long ago, Paul Kagame was again ready to go again for the hunt! What hunt is that, is it still FDLR or minerals. The good thing is he is right, there was no FDLR captured instead, he decided to capture his Allie Nkunda all because there was pressure that Rwanda was helping him. And now you know all about Nkunda. Is the Rwandan government ready to give him up? And why? It is clear, he was an instrument. Now lately enough houses have been burned in the North Kivu, ladies raped, killed and burned by a group of armed forces speaking kinyarwanda in FARDC uniforms. We all know that after the capture of Nkunda, the CNDP joined the FARDC even though their commands still come from Rwanda (wich is all just a good masquerade of union). Weird about their mission, they do it calling themselves FDLR, which has never been done by real FDLR's. When the real FDLR's attack, they do not go proclaiming themselves and besides, who have the FARDC uniforms speaking kinyarwanda? CNDP ofcourse. Comming back to the ethnicity issue, the aggression war of Rwanda in DRC, had you ever heard of ethnicity? The sincere answer will be NO! Now where is this coming from? Definitely from Rwanda and among who? Rwandan of course. Now why bring it as a Congolese problem instead of saying it is a Rwandan problem in Congo? And why is it that they have to solve it in Congo and not in Rwanda? The Rwandan goverment was given a chance to come solve it, but you will agree with me that they did not come for FDLR, but for proper exploitation of minerals, that is why they want to come again! Let us not try to look for escape goats. Let's be clear. We all know it is a political and mineral issue. If it was an FDLR problem it could have been solve a long time ago. Note: FDLR are not only found in DRC, then why is it that it is only in DRC that they are being hunted? MIchael, you are somewhere right about ethnicity, but something you should not forget is that ethnicity is between Hutus and Tutsis. Before 1994 there was no ethnicity problem in DRC. So do not call that a DRC problem but a Rwanda problem in Congo. Besides, if Nkunda is there to protect the tutsis in DRC, lately the the Rwandese army conjointly with DRC went for the hunt of these FDLR, well I guess you know the results. First proclamed by the Rwandese goverment as a success. And not long ago, Paul Kagame was again ready to go again for the hunt! What hunt is that, is it still FDLR or minerals.
The good thing is he is right, there was no FDLR captured instead, he decided to capture his Allie Nkunda all because there was pressure that Rwanda was helping him. And now you know all about Nkunda. Is the Rwandan government ready to give him up? And why? It is clear, he was an instrument.
Now lately enough houses have been burned in the North Kivu, ladies raped, killed and burned by a group of armed forces speaking kinyarwanda in FARDC uniforms. We all know that after the capture of Nkunda, the CNDP joined the FARDC even though their commands still come from Rwanda (wich is all just a good masquerade of union). Weird about their mission, they do it calling themselves FDLR, which has never been done by real FDLR’s. When the real FDLR’s attack, they do not go proclaiming themselves and besides, who have the FARDC uniforms speaking kinyarwanda? CNDP ofcourse.
Comming back to the ethnicity issue, the aggression war of Rwanda in DRC, had you ever heard of ethnicity? The sincere answer will be NO! Now where is this coming from? Definitely from Rwanda and among who? Rwandan of course. Now why bring it as a Congolese problem instead of saying it is a Rwandan problem in Congo? And why is it that they have to solve it in Congo and not in Rwanda? The Rwandan goverment was given a chance to come solve it, but you will agree with me that they did not come for FDLR, but for proper exploitation of minerals, that is why they want to come again!
Let us not try to look for escape goats. Let’s be clear. We all know it is a political and mineral issue. If it was an FDLR problem it could have been solve a long time ago.
Note: FDLR are not only found in DRC, then why is it that it is only in DRC that they are being hunted?

]]> By: GMH http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-3827 GMH Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:39:08 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-3827 I agree with Michael's statements regarding the role ethnicity plays in the conflict. Yes, the minerals in DRC are a driving force of the conflict. I don't believe anyone will disupute this. However, the ethnic tension in the region is a driving force as well. This is a complex conflict and the history between Hutu and Tutsi is undeniably important. It is too simplistic to boil the conflict down to one issue (minerals) and ignore the others. I also echo Paul Reynders, in that I am somewhat troubled by Ann's response to Michael's comments. Responding in frustration and refusing to take a deeper look into all aspects of the conflict is not productive, and is especially harmful to those you are seeking to help. I agree with Michael’s statements regarding the role ethnicity plays in the conflict. Yes, the minerals in DRC are a driving force of the conflict. I don’t believe anyone will disupute this. However, the ethnic tension in the region is a driving force as well. This is a complex conflict and the history between Hutu and Tutsi is undeniably important. It is too simplistic to boil the conflict down to one issue (minerals) and ignore the others.

I also echo Paul Reynders, in that I am somewhat troubled by Ann’s response to Michael’s comments. Responding in frustration and refusing to take a deeper look into all aspects of the conflict is not productive, and is especially harmful to those you are seeking to help.

]]> By: Albert http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 Albert Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:09:45 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-1294 Can someone explain where the number of 6 to 8 millions deaths in the DRC conflict(s) come from? What is the documentation for it? Can someone explain where the number of 6 to 8 millions deaths in the DRC conflict(s) come from? What is the documentation for it?

]]> By: stopthewarinnorthkivu http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-748 stopthewarinnorthkivu Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:41 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-748 It´s the minerals. Sorry. This being said with full, absolute respect for the tutsi community due the unbearable, unspeakable, holocaust them and hutus of goodwill went through in one of the worst chapters mankind has seen. an humanitarian worker in Goma, DRC It´s the minerals. Sorry.
This being said with full, absolute respect for the tutsi community due the unbearable, unspeakable, holocaust them and hutus of goodwill went through in one of the worst chapters mankind has seen.

an humanitarian worker in Goma, DRC

]]> By: Paul Reynders http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-672 Paul Reynders Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:24:56 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-672 It kind of surprises me ann, that you almost never answer wih different oppinions, but just keep op screaming your frustation. It would be maybe handful to undertake constructive discussion with your critics. Using unfounded allegations to make your point will not bring any support in finding a solution to this conflict. It kind of surprises me ann, that you almost never answer wih different oppinions, but just keep op screaming your frustation. It would be maybe handful to undertake constructive discussion with your critics.

Using unfounded allegations to make your point will not bring any support in finding a solution to this conflict.

]]> By: Michael http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-636 Michael Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:28:14 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-636 Dear Ann, i understand your frastration over the multinationals taking advantage of this war, as you have noticed in history there will always be people willing to profit on human musery and that is inexcusable. People fighting wars will always look for funding within their territory first and at the moment coltan is the key resource funding Nkuda's side. That said, if you assert that Nkunda is just fighting for the coltan;it will be a very simplistic view of his raison d'etre. I'm currently resciding in Goma (the town surrounded by Nkunda's forces),just a few weeks ago our NGO compound was attached and robbed by goverment forces; who wrecked havock by looting,killing and raping within the town. That night, the message that was being broadcasted on the radio was literally encouraging civilians to hunt down all tutsis in Goma. Needless to say this is a divided region. As a medical personell,my first posting was in the Ituri region where i seen what the dark part of a human mind is capable of. I had a chance to work in several zones of control; the government zone, mai mai zone, FDLR zone and the Nkunda's CNDP zone. With my experience, i can ascertain the fact that the most horrendous crimes were committed by the FDLR supported by the government solders with their modus operadi of rape. In the ones patroled and controled by the CNDP, the solders were disciplined rape was almost nonexistent hence i was treating normal maladies. Further, in the recent Masisi fighting i was stopped at a roadblock by a joint FDLR and government forces. This unholly alliance has been Nkunda's raison d'etre. If only the government of DRC can stop supporting the FDLR and have them returned to rwanda where their hyrachy would face justice over their participation in the Genocide of 1994, then Nkunda will have no reason to continue even if he wished. At the moment the Tutsis in the Kivu are all behind Nkunda since no one else can guarantee their safty MONUC included. I'm not excusing any crimes Nkunda committed but you have to look at the whole picture if you want to fully understand the maihem in the Kivu. Note: there is no International Criminal Court Warrant issued on Nkunda, there is only a warrant issued by the government of the DRC. Dear Ann, i understand your frastration over the multinationals taking advantage of this war, as you have noticed in history there will always be people willing to profit on human musery and that is inexcusable. People fighting wars will always look for funding within their territory first and at the moment coltan is the key resource funding Nkuda’s side.
That said, if you assert that Nkunda is just fighting for the coltan;it will be a very simplistic view of his raison d’etre.
I’m currently resciding in Goma (the town surrounded by Nkunda’s forces),just a few weeks ago our NGO compound was attached and robbed by goverment forces; who wrecked havock by looting,killing and raping within the town. That night, the message that was being broadcasted on the radio was literally encouraging civilians to hunt down all tutsis in Goma. Needless to say this is a divided region.
As a medical personell,my first posting was in the Ituri region where i seen what the dark part of a human mind is capable of. I had a chance to work in several zones of control; the government zone, mai mai zone, FDLR zone and the Nkunda’s CNDP zone. With my experience, i can ascertain the fact that the most horrendous crimes were committed by the FDLR supported by the government solders with their modus operadi of rape. In the ones patroled and controled by the CNDP, the solders were disciplined rape was almost nonexistent hence i was treating normal maladies.
Further, in the recent Masisi fighting i was stopped at a roadblock by a joint FDLR and government forces. This unholly alliance has been Nkunda’s raison d’etre. If only the government of DRC can stop supporting the FDLR and have them returned to rwanda where their hyrachy would face justice over their participation in the Genocide of 1994, then Nkunda will have no reason to continue even if he wished.
At the moment the Tutsis in the Kivu are all behind Nkunda since no one else can guarantee their safty MONUC included.
I’m not excusing any crimes Nkunda committed but you have to look at the whole picture if you want to fully understand the maihem in the Kivu.
Note: there is no International Criminal Court Warrant issued on Nkunda, there is only a warrant issued by the government of the DRC.

]]> By: Ann Garrison http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-590 Ann Garrison Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:32:38 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-590 If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why is Rwanda a major exporter of coltan, even though no coltan is mined in Rwanda? The Congolese province bordering Rwanda is the world's richest source of coltan, yet Congo, according to import export statistics, exports no coltan at all? If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why did he announce, on October 28, 2008, when the world agreed that he had seized control of North Kivu Province, that he wanted to negotiate with Congolese President Joseph Kabila about China's contract to exchange $9 billion of infrastructure, in Congo, for mining leases in Katanga Province? If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why did the Congolese Tutsi community demand that Nkunda get back over the Rwandan border in 2004? If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why is he infamous, worldwide, for systemic rape, castration, torture, and murder? If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why have Human Rights Watch, and the International Criminal Court in the Hague, issued warrants for his immediate arrest for crimes against humanity? If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why is Rwanda a major exporter of coltan, even though no coltan is mined in Rwanda? The Congolese province bordering Rwanda is the world’s richest source of coltan, yet Congo, according to import export statistics, exports no coltan at all?

If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why did he announce, on October 28, 2008, when the world agreed that he had seized control of North Kivu Province, that he wanted to negotiate with Congolese President Joseph Kabila about China’s contract to exchange $9 billion of infrastructure, in Congo, for mining leases in Katanga Province?

If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why did the Congolese Tutsi community demand that Nkunda get back over the Rwandan border in 2004?

If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why is he infamous, worldwide, for systemic rape, castration, torture, and murder?

If Nkunda is fighting to protect his Tutsi community, then why have Human Rights Watch, and the International Criminal Court in the Hague, issued warrants for his immediate arrest for crimes against humanity?

]]> By: Michael http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-528 Michael Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:18:11 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-528 Anne Garrison's piece just scratched the surface on the root cause of the war in the eastern DRC. If her anger and frastrations were chanelled into finding the root cause of the said war, she would have written a different piece alltogether. The main reason General Nkunda is fighting, is to protect his tutsi community against the FDLR(genocidal forces) who comitted genocide in Rwanda in 1994; whereupon a million tutsi were killed. Now, if only The president of DRC can disarm the said genocidal forces within his country then General Nkunda would have no reason to fight. Plain and simple. As for Rwandan involvement in this matter, i'm sure they sympathize with Nkunda as Tustsi bloodlines run across the border but Nkunda's Army doesn't need Rwandese or American help; they have been warriors since the day before forever. Anne Garrison’s piece just scratched the surface on the root cause of the war in the eastern DRC. If her anger and frastrations were chanelled into finding the root cause of the said war, she would have written a different piece alltogether.
The main reason General Nkunda is fighting, is to protect his tutsi community against the FDLR(genocidal forces) who comitted genocide in Rwanda in 1994; whereupon a million tutsi were killed.
Now, if only The president of DRC can disarm the said genocidal forces within his country then General Nkunda would have no reason to fight. Plain and simple.
As for Rwandan involvement in this matter, i’m sure they sympathize with Nkunda as Tustsi bloodlines run across the border but Nkunda’s Army doesn’t need Rwandese or American help; they have been warriors since the day before forever.

]]> By: Michael http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-523 Michael Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:58:05 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-523 Well Skym, It was a million Tutsi killed in three months and almost all by machete, spears and blant instruments. Even the Nazis didn't do it that fast. Most importantly, the people responsible for the said genicide are being sheltered and armed by the DRC government. The blame for this dreadful war should rest at the foot of Joseph Kabila (the President of DRC) for siding with the genocidal forces. Nkunda is protecting his people and their teritorial rights as his ancestors did for almost 600yrs in the same teritory. Well Skym, It was a million Tutsi killed in three months and almost all by machete, spears and blant instruments. Even the Nazis didn’t do it that fast. Most importantly, the people responsible for the said genicide are being sheltered and armed by the DRC government. The blame for this dreadful war should rest at the foot of Joseph Kabila (the President of DRC) for siding with the genocidal forces.
Nkunda is protecting his people and their teritorial rights as his ancestors did for almost 600yrs in the same teritory.

]]> By: Skym http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-354 Skym Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:41:20 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-354 It is weird that for a few thousands dead in Rwanda everybody talks...another few in the world trade center..a whole Afghanistan and Iraq have to pay the price.. Now what have these 5 million Congolese dead have to do with this?? It is weird that for a few thousands dead in Rwanda everybody talks…another few in the world trade center..a whole Afghanistan and Iraq have to pay the price.. Now what have these 5 million Congolese dead have to do with this??

]]> By: Annie Garrison http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-352 Annie Garrison Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:51:52 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-352 Editor Mary Ratcliff asked me to respond to this, but I can't quite get the point. I think something may have gone wrong in the text transmission. Editor Mary Ratcliff asked me to respond to this, but I can’t quite get the point. I think something may have gone wrong in the text transmission.

]]> By: samy.mpeti http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-344 samy.mpeti Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:23:47 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-344 ilike.sadc.upi.and.nkunda,im.in.safrique.im.gard.car.in.servus.building.in.durba. ilike.sadc.upi.and.nkunda,im.in.safrique.im.gard.car.in.servus.building.in.durba.

]]> By: Wisdom002 http://sfbayview.com/2008/us-and-rwanda-to-blame-for-congo%e2%80%99s-human-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-336 Wisdom002 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:06:27 +0000 http://www.sfbayview.com/?p=1196#comment-336 Let this stupid Nkunda does whatever he is doing. There will be a time for him. It is Congolese CONSPIRACY to distract people, we know it. Keep it up my people, we will win no matter what. they must stop their torture, rape in Congo. we're just tired!!!! Let this stupid Nkunda does whatever he is doing. There will be a time for him. It is Congolese CONSPIRACY to distract people, we know it. Keep it up my people, we will win no matter what. they must stop their torture, rape in Congo. we’re just tired!!!!

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