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		<title>By: Safi Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safi Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damu,

Important, please contact me! 

Safi
9/28/09</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damu,</p>
<p>Important, please contact me! </p>
<p>Safi<br />
9/28/09</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary, Jean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary, Jean!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn from Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn from Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx for the heads up on the CalTrans program for parolees *whew*! Lord knows I could put that to use for somebody. Also on the war film/doc &quot;The Battle of Algiers&quot;. I found the reviews at IMDb.com under &quot;La Battaglia di Algeri&quot; and it sounds real good! Nominated for 3 Oscars &amp; 7 wins. I&#039;m dL&#039;ing from mininova right now, cant wait!

Trivia: In 2003, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon screened this film for officers and civilian experts who were discussing the challenges faced by the US military forces in Iraq. The flier inviting guests to the screening read: &quot;How to win a battle against terrorism and lose the war of ideas&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx for the heads up on the CalTrans program for parolees *whew*! Lord knows I could put that to use for somebody. Also on the war film/doc &#8220;The Battle of Algiers&#8221;. I found the reviews at IMDb.com under &#8220;La Battaglia di Algeri&#8221; and it sounds real good! Nominated for 3 Oscars &amp; 7 wins. I&#8217;m dL&#8217;ing from mininova right now, cant wait!</p>
<p>Trivia: In 2003, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon screened this film for officers and civilian experts who were discussing the challenges faced by the US military forces in Iraq. The flier inviting guests to the screening read: &#8220;How to win a battle against terrorism and lose the war of ideas&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq Mahmood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq Mahmood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am by no means a lap dog of the West, but they seem to bend backward and forward for immigrants and minorities.

In home country when migrants (people from other parts of the country) come and take jobs and hard times set in people take to the streets, torch cars, and yes dead bodies do start to show up.

America is letting immigrants come here for a better life, they are paid wages 9 to 30 times higher then in home country for unskilled work, they can use this wealth to buy capital and technical expertise (and America will subsidize their education if they go for it too), yet they don&#039;t.

Can a McDonald&#039;s worker afford a $10,000 car payment and a 500 square foot apartment in Mexico?  In America they can ...

Black America operates the same as immigrants, with a victimization mentality.  

Were past wrongs dealt to African Americans, yes their were, but you know what wrongs are dealt to everyone, even at the individual level.  Instead of creating helpless and depressed communities that look at the police as the enemy, why don&#039;t you encourage your youth to achieve things.

God does not change the fate of a people who does not change the fate of themselves.

I think with President Obama&#039;s election this mentality will die out, and minorities will start to integrate rather then embrace the racist multicultural policies of the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am by no means a lap dog of the West, but they seem to bend backward and forward for immigrants and minorities.</p>
<p>In home country when migrants (people from other parts of the country) come and take jobs and hard times set in people take to the streets, torch cars, and yes dead bodies do start to show up.</p>
<p>America is letting immigrants come here for a better life, they are paid wages 9 to 30 times higher then in home country for unskilled work, they can use this wealth to buy capital and technical expertise (and America will subsidize their education if they go for it too), yet they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Can a McDonald&#8217;s worker afford a $10,000 car payment and a 500 square foot apartment in Mexico?  In America they can &#8230;</p>
<p>Black America operates the same as immigrants, with a victimization mentality.  </p>
<p>Were past wrongs dealt to African Americans, yes their were, but you know what wrongs are dealt to everyone, even at the individual level.  Instead of creating helpless and depressed communities that look at the police as the enemy, why don&#8217;t you encourage your youth to achieve things.</p>
<p>God does not change the fate of a people who does not change the fate of themselves.</p>
<p>I think with President Obama&#8217;s election this mentality will die out, and minorities will start to integrate rather then embrace the racist multicultural policies of the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Suki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a former student of irish Ameican history and know something about the &quot;troubles&quot; in the North of Ireland...I was happy to see you connect the enfranchisement of the Irush through the door of policing- it also connected with the meditations I have been having on the policing of the working class/Catholic communities in the North of Ireland and how integral-how necessary- the corruption of the police force was for the British to maintain &quot;order&quot;...
The line between the paramilitaries - the Ulster Defense Regiment, for example- and the Police force of Northern Ireland was frankly non existent and existed only for the press releases of the British should charges of police corruption and &quot;collusion&quot; be brought up by investigative journalists. 
I think if I had not studied life under British occupation in Ireland, I would not at all understand what you or any other writer/journalist means when you mention the killing of Chauncey Bailey or the extra legal means the police have extended to them by a Govt happy to look the other way...
Tiocfaidh Ar La!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a former student of irish Ameican history and know something about the &#8220;troubles&#8221; in the North of Ireland&#8230;I was happy to see you connect the enfranchisement of the Irush through the door of policing- it also connected with the meditations I have been having on the policing of the working class/Catholic communities in the North of Ireland and how integral-how necessary- the corruption of the police force was for the British to maintain &#8220;order&#8221;&#8230;<br />
The line between the paramilitaries &#8211; the Ulster Defense Regiment, for example- and the Police force of Northern Ireland was frankly non existent and existed only for the press releases of the British should charges of police corruption and &#8220;collusion&#8221; be brought up by investigative journalists.<br />
I think if I had not studied life under British occupation in Ireland, I would not at all understand what you or any other writer/journalist means when you mention the killing of Chauncey Bailey or the extra legal means the police have extended to them by a Govt happy to look the other way&#8230;<br />
Tiocfaidh Ar La!</p>
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		<title>By: StreamVNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StreamVNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call it the &quot;occupied territory&quot; or whatever.  Just keep that mess in Oakland or Richmond.  Don&#039;t even think about infecting my neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it the &#8220;occupied territory&#8221; or whatever.  Just keep that mess in Oakland or Richmond.  Don&#8217;t even think about infecting my neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean,

Re: incarceration stats for US prisons: &quot;What this should signal to those who are paying attention is that the U.S. doesn’t have a clue when it comes to creating racial equality.&quot;

So if the percentage by race of the general population was equivalent to that of the prison population, you would be happy with that? Would we have equality then? This kind of thinking illustrates the absurdity of &quot;equality&quot; in the sense you use it. Equal opportunity--OK. Treat others as equals until they give you reason not to-- I&#039;m all for that. But to demand that society itself &quot;create&quot; equality of result, that is delusional.

What seems to bother you is that people of all colors are generally held accountable for their behavior: productive and harmonious behavior merits reward, while destructive behavior merits punishment. I don&#039;t doubt that to some extent blacks-- because of their race-- get unfair treatment in the U.S. by law enforcement. But that appears to be the less significant part of the problem. Just looking at stories in this periodical it is clear that wanton violence is readily given justification in the black community when it serves as a balm to social wounds both real and imagined. When non-blacks believe that there is a very real and threatening &quot;culture of violence&quot; among urban American blacks, there is  a mountain of blood-soaked evidence to support that view.

As the previous commenter asks, What is it that you want? Not-- what do you want from society or from non-blacks-- but what do you want from yourselves? What do you demand of yourself that will take you to a higher level? Whatever it is you will have to generate it for yourselves. It cannot be obtained from or given to you by any outside (human) source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean,</p>
<p>Re: incarceration stats for US prisons: &#8220;What this should signal to those who are paying attention is that the U.S. doesn’t have a clue when it comes to creating racial equality.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if the percentage by race of the general population was equivalent to that of the prison population, you would be happy with that? Would we have equality then? This kind of thinking illustrates the absurdity of &#8220;equality&#8221; in the sense you use it. Equal opportunity&#8211;OK. Treat others as equals until they give you reason not to&#8211; I&#8217;m all for that. But to demand that society itself &#8220;create&#8221; equality of result, that is delusional.</p>
<p>What seems to bother you is that people of all colors are generally held accountable for their behavior: productive and harmonious behavior merits reward, while destructive behavior merits punishment. I don&#8217;t doubt that to some extent blacks&#8211; because of their race&#8211; get unfair treatment in the U.S. by law enforcement. But that appears to be the less significant part of the problem. Just looking at stories in this periodical it is clear that wanton violence is readily given justification in the black community when it serves as a balm to social wounds both real and imagined. When non-blacks believe that there is a very real and threatening &#8220;culture of violence&#8221; among urban American blacks, there is  a mountain of blood-soaked evidence to support that view.</p>
<p>As the previous commenter asks, What is it that you want? Not&#8211; what do you want from society or from non-blacks&#8211; but what do you want from yourselves? What do you demand of yourself that will take you to a higher level? Whatever it is you will have to generate it for yourselves. It cannot be obtained from or given to you by any outside (human) source.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar A Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgar A Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean, 
This letter is probably a waste of time since you seem to be already blaming the white majority that has &quot;occupied&quot; that part of the hood, and which you seem to blame for Mixon&#039;s cold blooded killing (or temper tantrum...the way you probably see it) of four police officers. 
Just exactly WHAT is it that people like you want? Do you want a separate territory with black people only? Last time I checked we had a black President. Race is only a problem to a hand-full of professional race baiters (ie: Sharpton, Jackson), and low life neo-nazis. What do you want?
Do you hate your country so much that you need to blame one tragedy (Grant&#039;s) with another, and ultimately conclude that it is the &quot;paramilitary&quot; forces&#039; fault for everything that happened?. Should we go back to segregating ourselves and shoot it out in a conflagaration of bullets...until the last man standing? Dude! What anger and hatred fills your passion? Journalism is truly dead in this country.

Edgar A Martinez
Mesa, AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean,<br />
This letter is probably a waste of time since you seem to be already blaming the white majority that has &#8220;occupied&#8221; that part of the hood, and which you seem to blame for Mixon&#8217;s cold blooded killing (or temper tantrum&#8230;the way you probably see it) of four police officers.<br />
Just exactly WHAT is it that people like you want? Do you want a separate territory with black people only? Last time I checked we had a black President. Race is only a problem to a hand-full of professional race baiters (ie: Sharpton, Jackson), and low life neo-nazis. What do you want?<br />
Do you hate your country so much that you need to blame one tragedy (Grant&#8217;s) with another, and ultimately conclude that it is the &#8220;paramilitary&#8221; forces&#8217; fault for everything that happened?. Should we go back to segregating ourselves and shoot it out in a conflagaration of bullets&#8230;until the last man standing? Dude! What anger and hatred fills your passion? Journalism is truly dead in this country.</p>
<p>Edgar A Martinez<br />
Mesa, AZ</p>
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