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What part of ‘killed_unarmed_Black_man = murder’ doesn’t OPD understand?

November 10, 2010

March for justice for Brother Derrick Jones Thursday, Nov. 11, 3 p.m., from Bancroft & Seminary to Oscar Grant (Fruitvale) BART Station

by mesha Monge-Irizarry, Idriss Stelley Foundation

Photo: CBS
Another unarmed Black brother, Derrick Jones, 37, a beloved Oakland barbershop owner and father of an infant girl, met a violent death on Monday night, Nov. 8, 2010, shot and killed by two white Oakland police officers while “fleeing,” after they “thought” they saw a metallic object in his hand.

This OPD homicide occurred only THREE days after Judge Robert Perry sentenced the killer of Oscar Grant III, Johannes Mehserle, to two years in jail, less credit for 146 days of time served plus another 146 days for “good behavior” for a total of 292 days, for “involuntary manslaughter.”

This is the third OPD officer-involved homicide of people of color in 2010.

Derrick Jones’ grieving family has retained the services of John Burris, Oscar Grant’s family’s attorney.

‘This incident has nothing to do with the case of Oscar Grant’

The next day, Tuesday, Nov. 9, I caught the end of a Channel 7 talk show, during which a complacent African American conservative anchor contended, “By the way, it is my belief that the Oscar Grant shooting was ACCIDENTAL.”

He interviewed a white former OPD officer and current prosecutor who exhorted the public not to jump to racially biased policing conclusions: “This incident has nothing to do with the case of Oscar Grant. Grant’s killing was involuntary, while yesterday’s shooting was voluntary. You must understand that officers have to make split-second decisions when they have a reasonable belief that a suspect is armed and dangerous and constitutes a life and death threat against themselves or others. Please, you have to understand that it is the scariest scenario in an officer’s life.”

The day after the shooting, OPD’s official version of the killing keeps changing. The corporate press trickles cautious tidbits of information throughout the day.

At first, the race of the dead brother and of the shooting officers is hidden from the public.

Then an OPD spokesperson reluctantly admits that Jones was UNARMED and that a “confrontation” occurred. Note the constrained terminology.

Initial communiqués from police usually emphasize: “Suspect lunged at the officers who feared for their lives” or “Suspect pulled out a gun, knife” etc. or “Suspect turned around and repeatedly screamed ‘C’mon, M-F-ers, go ahead and kill me’” or “Suspect made a sudden furtive move.”

Initial communiqués from police usually emphasize: “Suspect lunged at the officers who feared for their lives” or “Suspect pulled out a gun, knife” etc. or “Suspect turned around and repeatedly screamed ‘C’mon, M-F-ers, go ahead and kill me’” or “Suspect made a sudden furtive move.”

Apparently there was no physical confrontation in Jones’ case. Throughout Tuesday, the official party line kept changing, from “confrontation” to “appeared to reach for his waist band” to “officers thought they saw a metallic object in the suspect’s hand.”

Hit list on Oaktown contemporary plantation continues to grow

Remember young Brother Laronte Studesville, 15, shot by OPD in 2007 while fleeing and attempting to pull up his sagging pants? Luckily, the child survived after two weeks in intensive care, scarred for life, shot in the back of his neck while running, the bullet came out of his chin.

Derrick Jones
Or Brother Jody “Mack” Woodfox, shot in the back and killed in 2008 while “fleeing”? Both were shot by OPD, and the hit list on Oakland’ contemporary plantation, the land-of-the-proud-and-the-free-OPD is endless and continues to rage on.

Yet in one year, two months and two weeks or maybe sooner, killer cop Johannes Mehserle is “eligible for release.”

‘He is portrayed as a monster, and he wasn’t; this is all so senseless’

The Associated Press, in its Nov. 9 story, “Family says man shot by Oakland police was unarmed,” reports:

“Loved ones of a barber shot and killed by officers during a foot chase disputed police’s account Tuesday that he appeared to be reaching toward his waistband for a weapon.

“Family and friends of Derrick Jones, 37, called Monday’s shooting unjustified and said witnesses did not see the Oakland man make such a move. They also said Jones was unarmed and that police used excessive force.

“’My cousin is not the type of person to harm anybody,’ said Charles Jones … ‘It’s outrageous for somebody to just kill him like that.’

“Police have declined to say how many times Derrick Jones was shot or whether a weapon was found on him, citing the ongoing investigation. …

“When officers arrived, Derrick Jones fled on foot, apparently ‘to escape arrest for assaulting the woman,’ Israel said. …

“But family and friends said Tuesday that Derrick Jones is being wrongly depicted as a ‘monster’ and was only trying to fend off an ex-girlfriend who came to his barbershop causing trouble.

“… (T)he two officers repeatedly told Derrick Jones to stop and tried unsuccessfully to use a stun gun on him. He said the officers also saw Derrick Jones refuse to put up his hands, and he reached toward his waistband several times.

“… (O)ne of the officers saw a metal object in Jones’ hand, Israel said. …

Derrick Jones, a barber for over 20 years, had owned this shop for eight years. – Photo: CBS video frame
“An attorney representing Jones’ family, John Burris, said Tuesday that witnesses he has spoken to said Derrick Jones was unarmed and was not reaching toward his waistband when police opened fire. …

“’Any time a human life is lost, the surviving family suffers the grief of that loss, so I offer my sympathies to the family of the man who lost his life last night,’ (Oakland Mayor Ron) Dellums said.

“Family and friends said Jones is the father of an infant girl, has been a barber for more than 20 years and has owned his barbershop for the past eight years.

“Scott Riley, 40, another childhood friend, said Jones served about a year behind bars for carrying a gun to protect himself after he was robbed at his barbershop.

“’He’s being portrayed as a monster, and he wasn’t,’ Riley said outside police headquarters. ‘This is all so senseless.’”

What part of killed_unarmed_Black_man = murder doesn’t OPD understand? Too little too late … enough!

Is the Mehserle verdict ensuring OPD’s license to kill with impunity? Is there no correlation between the murders of Derrick Jones and Oscar Grant III?

Apparently, civil rights attorney John Burris does not think so. Neither do we … or the 152 Oakland protesters arrested on Nov. 5 after the public release of the Mehserle sentence.

Mayor Ron Dellums slapped together hasty damage control “condolences” to Brother Derrick Jones’ grieving family. Too little too late, enough!

Legendary warrior against police abuse mesha Monge-Irizarry, who founded the Idriss Stelley Foundation following the murder of her only child, Idriss Stelley, by San Francisco police, can be reached on ISF’s bilingual crisis line at (415) 595-8251 or on Facebook.

83 thoughts on “What part of ‘killed_unarmed_Black_man = murder’ doesn’t OPD understand?

  1. Elizabeth Plumley

    I'm so sorry. I live in the Fillmore, in the city. I can't afford it and the schools suck. I love Oakland, I have a bunch of friends there. But, with the pollution and toxicity from the old navy yards and the Dept of Energy radiating Berkeley for 37 years. And, now the killer police. Clearly, they don't pay the cops or something and they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. How could you shoot somebody five times in the back? How could you continue to work for the Oakland police. or the LA police, or the Tampa police, or the Philedelphia police, America is dead, I'm gonna go throw up. Elizabeth Plumley

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  2. Keith

    How about not "FLEEING" the Police?? How about being quiet when the police, ask you to be quiet?? Been in 3 "situations" with the police in my life, one with the OPD. When told to do something, I did it. It has worked for me.

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      1. Guest

        Of course they do… Keith should have run, or better yet, put up a fight just so you would have another "martyr" to write about. Right?

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        1. Robin

          You can include yourself in the make me sick category. How in the H*ll do justify a man shot in the back while running away! But you probably voted for Bush and would vote for Palin. We see why America is dying.

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          1. Guest

            So you don't deny that you want/need more martyrs to support your inverted racism rants? Well, all that aside, I think you should also consider the side of the officers that have to attempt to uphold the law in that veritable war zone that is Oakland. How many of them have been killed while trying to do the job that citizens demand of them? If in their shoes I think you would be quick on the draw as well. But I know that inconvenient truth (to quote the despicable Al Gore) doesn't fit well with your desires to portray people of color as perpetual victims.

    1. Seth

      How about not shooting an unarmed guy in the back when your job as a cop is supposed to be to PROTECT the public? OPD seems to think that their jobs are to shoot first and create stories about how afraid they were for their lives later. How is it that a police officer with a gun and a bullet-proof vest can be so afraid for his life when the other guy is FLEEING with his back to him? Puh-leez! What needs to happen here is that the FBI needs to come in and clean OPD's house.

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      1. Guest

        Yeah, cuz we all know that gangsters and looters are far better at protecting the public's best interests. Yeah, shame on you for speaking up for police. Not.

        This whole series of rants for "justice" is a massive FAIL. You could easily substitute "revenge" for "justice" throughout all of these postings and the whole thing would be way more consistent and honest. But honesty gets in the way of what most people want.

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  3. 2hip

    A terrible thing when a life is snuffed out. Can't get it back…ever. The pain for those who knew this man is off the scale. I am not a black man so can not understand all of the things this race has had to endure. The Mehserle sentencing even caught the general public off guard. Take the race out of this officer shooting for a second and may I ask you..respectfully…why don't people just obey what a police officer commands them to do? Couldn't that just be a more sane way to handle a stressful situation? I would rather have a policeman's knee in my back while they cuff me then a bullet hole the size of a quarter coming out the other side. I am not condoning or condemning anyone's actions on this terrible tragedy. As a society of human beings, unfortunately, we need police to keep things civil. They are invested with the power to arrest, detain, and kill (if necessary). I have known many LEOs in my life from all walks and colors of life. It is an extremely difficult job…look at their own suicide, divorce, and alcohol rates. What is so bad…it is when you do not comply with an order from a police officer. You now have jacked up his attention level to survival mode. Please people…when commanded by a police officer to do something…obey it to the letter. Let the legal dogs straighten it out in court. Avert these senseless disasters…RIP Derrick…may God bless your family in these difficult times.

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      1. 2hip

        Marklar, if you aren't doing anything illegal…you obey what an officer says…you won't get the knee in the back. What if the bullet is to a body part you might need for the rest of your life? Is that still worth it to you? Police are well trained in marksmanship. They are trained to go for center mass shots. There is a lot of valuable equipment in that territory. I would bet you that at 40 foot they can pretty much put it within a small bread plate radius. Not a lot of people know this but it is not only the hole going through you that causes all of the damage. The kinetic energy of a bullet passing through you is a very powerful shock wave of energy in itself. It causes unbelievable damage. I have seen shooting victims in the hospital where you can actually see the visible effects of the shock wave. So, Marklar, I have pride too, man. As they say…"Pride goeth before the fall." There is a time to be smart and there is a time to do what is legally required of you. You may think civil disobedience is a smart option. You are legally required to follow the command of a LEO. If the bullet doesn't kill you…you will endure it's effects for many years. If the cops are telling you to do something..they are doing it for a reason and you are required to follow that command. There should never be a reason to be shot by an officer. I am not saying there aren't some bad cops. But they are much rarer than not. Play the odds and follow their commands. You won't get shot and if you weren't doing nothing wrong…not even kneed…

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    1. Guest

      And of course, hold OPD responsible for their own crimes.

      Family from out of town/state keep talking about OPD killing Oscar Grant. This is unfortunate, because Bart Police are clearly not getting the negative NATIONAL press they deserve.

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  4. Time for a Change

    Why don’t you become outraged by black men killing black men in Oakland? For that matter, why doesn’t the black community become outraged? There is no doubt that black on black murder is a much more lethal problem for the black community and much more worthy of your time and newsprint. Even if everything you say or insinuate about the OPD is true (which it is not) the OPD still cause only a fraction of the death and despair that black on black killing does.
    Perhaps it is because you and your readers prefer to be wrapped in the warm blanket of “victimhood” rather than taking responsibility for the perpetuation a bankrupt culture that glorifies killing, misogyny, and drugs.
    Change can only come from within the community itself. Your article is a distraction from the real problem which only serves to compound the issue itself.

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    1. Robin

      You don't know what the black community gets outraged about since the never get a chance to tell their story.Why don't white people get outraged by a president who lied you into two illeagla wars. Why don't you get outraged about Kernel Oliver North one of the biggest drug dealers in the world under his boss Ronnie Raygun. Why don't you get outraged about bailouts to bankers while unemployment is 22%. We got outraged about Jeffery Dahmer, Did you get outraged about Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, Jack the Ripper etc.? Christopher Columbus was Mass Murder yet you honor him. And don't forget whites kill whites too or hadn't you heard?

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  5. bruce dickinson

    what part of "stop, police" did this guy not understand? what part of being responsible for your actions does this article not understand? stop making this a media spectacle for the sake of entertainment. either report the facts, or let the readers know this is OPINION. until this case has been investigated, you have nothing but speculation to report on.

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  6. Shawn Aguilar

    As with ANY homicide involving the police, this should be FULLY investigated till we get to the absolute bottom of it. But dammit, a LOT of these murders can be AVOIDED if you simply follow the police commands! If police are out of pocket, do what they say and then file a formal complaint or take it to court! Why put your life on the line? I have had plenty run ins with the law and have managed to "survive" by doing as I am told. ANYONE carrying a gun should be taken seriously whether they are a police officer or average criminal! Question, if you are in a bank and it gets held up, are you going to challenge and talk sh*t to the robber?

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    1. Guest

      "homicide involving the police"… why the "involving the police" part? Any homicide, regardless of who is involved, deserves investigation.

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  7. OJA

    We have police to keep the peace and enforce the law.

    When they get a report of a man choking and beating a woman, then find him (according to news reports I've seen) and he resists arrest, somehow resists being tasered and reaches into his waistband – these are acts justifying deadly force from the police.

    Like Oscar Grant, you create a disturbance, then resist arrest, don't cooperate – you are giving the police no choice but to apply greater amounts of force to subdue someone acting criminally. This article wrongly gives the impression this death was racially motivated, which does not seem to be the case.

    I am Asian-American – if I saw another Asian acting like this with these results – I would have said they had it coming.

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  8. YKB

    It's articles like this which will push minorities farther in the ditch they are digging for themselves.

    Millions of people saw the Oscar Grant shooting. It was horrible, tragic, unbelievably sad, and terrible in every way. There's no way he deserved to die, and it's not clear that he deserved to be tasered. But if you think the shooting was intentional you need to have your head examined. And if you continue to try to argue that it was then people will know that your view of the world is only shared by people who already have an axe to grind and use that axe to blur their vision of the facts.

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  9. Lenny

    This article and anyone who buys into this nonsense is a disgrace. Mesha, where is your article denouncing the several black on black MURDERS that occurred in Oakland over last weekend? Why are you not reaching out and denouncing BLACK ON BLACK homicidal behavior that is destroying the black community? Why does the black community consistently turn a blind eye to these types of crimes that happen ALL THE TIME in Oakland and mostly go unsolved because of the lack of people in the black community willing to assist the police investigating the murders of their loved ones? How dare you even attempt to connect what happened in the situation to the Oscar Grant case? What you obviously do not realize is that you and this article are feeding the ignorance and stupidity in the black community. There is absolutely no correlation between the two events but yet you consciously choose to connect the two events to polarize what you have to say. What's worse is that you consciously do this knowing full well that most people in the black community who will read this article are not intelligent enough to see through this nonsense and form an opinion of their own. Not to mention attempting to put John Burris on some sort of pedestal like he is some kind of hero or savior. This is an unfortunate event that occurred and a man lost his life because he fled from the police and exhibited behavior that caused the OPD officers to draw weapons and shoot him. There is nothing else to the story. No race card. No police brutality card. No Oscar Grant card. Nothing. Maybe you should write an informative piece on proper behavior when being questioned by the police instead. Maybe you can positively affect someones life that way. Otherwise, stop wasting peoples time with nonsense like this article. Oh, and by the way, before you try to use it as an excuse which the black community has a treasure chest full of, I am black.

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    1. @wiseoldsnail

      are you serious? you are, aren't ya… sad… people do not have a responsibility to respond or even stand still for questioning by police when police have no reason to be approaching in the first place. also, no matter what a person does, and even in a legal approach for good cause, an officer has no right to draw a weapon more potent than a weapon a person is actually wielding at the moment. ie 'reaching into waistband' is not just cause for deadly force. maybe you should read the police handbook. it's illegal for an officer of the law to use any more force against a person than that person is actively using against the police or another potential victim. a person would have to be actually pointing a gun at a live person for the police to have just cause to even point a gun at that person. that's the law.

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  10. Lenny

    2Hip- I think if you are going to look at music, videos, and violent video games the question needs to be asked why is it only the black community has such a terrible problem with homicide? The music, videos, and violent games are available to all communities not just the black community. No doubt these negative influences affect behavior however. My issue is that it is articles such as this one that are misinformative and are designed to introduce race as a factor contribute to this type of behavior and mindset in the black community. This was NOT a factual or even intelligent piece. This is a person who is still upset about the Oscar Grant case who wants to establish a parallel between two completely separate events.

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    1. Robin

      This was an informative article. Who are you to decide what others took away from this article. You must think you are of the so called talented tenth. But you're really just a quisling.

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  11. tea

    This is a culture issue. Why would a man, any man, not obbey orders given by law inforcement. I just don't understand. Why would anyone feel they are above the law, and even for a second, think they can get away with acting a fool. If a cop can't catch you, their bullets will!

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    1. @wiseoldsnail

      you seem to be missing the part where police act, on a daily basis, as if they're above the law. they stop and question anyone they feel like harassing, while the law only allows them to stop and question or give orders to a person suspected of an actual crime … there has to be actual physical evidence linking said person to said crime for an officer to be acting within the law stopping that person. ie we absolutely are not required by law to allow ourselves to be ordered around by police who are over stepping the boundaries of their power. the police are breaking the law all day ever day. this is truly 'a culture issue.' it's a culture of police brutality issue.

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  12. mesha Monge-Irizarry

    to "lenny"
    "What's worse is that you consciously do this knowing full well that most people in the black community who will read this article are not intelligent enough to see through this nonsense and form an opinion of their own"
    " Oh, and by the way, before you try to use it as an excuse which the black community has a treasure chest full of, I am black"

    Really "Lennie "?
    You would be… a Black man? who believes that most Black people are not intelligent enough to form their own opinion ?
    I hope you realize how ridiculous you make yourself look with that lie….Thank you tragic lennie….

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    1. Lenny

      Actually yes I am saying exactly that. How many examples do you need to establish that the majority of the black community cannot form an intelligent opinion on their own? How many? Should I start with how pervasive messages in music, movies, and videos have completely hijacked the black community and have a wide majority of the black community to believing that living a gangsta or hood or street cred type of life is the way to go? How about the "stop snitchin" mentality which directly contributes to dozens and dozens of homicides and violent crimes from being solved in the black community? How about the evolution of ebonics? Or wait, one of my personal favorites, OJ Simpson is not guilty..One could go on and on all day long with facts about how obviously the black community in general is full of people who cannot form an intelligent opinion of their own and instead become sheep following people who form extreme opinions without all the facts in place. What part of killed unarmed black man = murder does the black community not understand? Try writing a piece on that.

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  13. mesha Monge-Irizarry

    There will be a PEACEFUL march tomorrow Thursday at 3 PM,
    from Brother Derrick's barbershop on Bankroft and 57th to Oscar Grant BART Station (Fruitvale station)
    mourning Derrick Jones brutal, untimely death and celebrating his life.

    Out of respect for Derrick's grieving family and our bereaving community, we ask that participants structly follow our contingent' directions at the event for a peaceful and productive demonstration.

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    1. Mr. B

      I think BART police and OPD should take one week off. They all should use there vacation time all at once and let everyone fend for themselves and then see what happens

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  14. Robin

    How many whites have been shot down by Police for walking, driving, or running? These comments are ridiculous as if black people are children, and don't have independent thoughts. The white community is not under this type of police assault. When whites were lynching, robbing, raping, burning and castrating black people, where were all your moral thoughts then? When your ancestors nearly wiped out the Indigenous population of American, were you ashamed when you found out? Were your ancestors outraged by the atrocities they committed? If they were I never heard about it. Don't say I never owned Slaves because you benefited from all that free labor and the profits of Slavery. And you tucked the remenant of indigenous people away on Reservations. You couldn't even bother to pay the "Forty Acres And A Mule" to correct a wrong. Now you're perpetrationg 21st Century Jim Crow laws on Black people and we are supposed to accept it. You really can't believe you can piss in a cup and tell us it's lemonade.

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  15. Robin

    cont..You are now exporting genocide, rape, and robbery and piracy and torture to the rest of the World. "We have to get them over there so we don't have to fight them here." MLK said "America is the greatest perveyer of violence in the World", His words are true to this day. People who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. So save your hypocrocy for someone who doesn't know any better because Black people surely know better.

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    1. Marlon Crump

      Well said, Robin, very well said indeed!

      I wholeheartedly concur your words and reference them with a link to my article "No Po-lice Calls……Ever!!" My family of POOR Magazine/PNN has implemented this as an indigenous community model to disengage from these systems of control that never truly helps us anyway. Follow this link below:
      http://poormagazine.org/node/3386

      Marlon Crump,
      POOR Magazine/PNN

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      1. Guest

        Here's an idea that should appeal to everyone: Pull the OPD out of all black neighborhoods, and any other neighborhood that wants to opt out. This will appeal to Marlon and his "po' folk" and it will also appeal to tax payers. Of course, this will necessitate a cordon around said neighborhoods due to their rapid descent into violent chaos, but that will be much cheaper to maintain in the long run, and everybody gets what they want. Right Marlon? Maybe you got the idea from that 1981 movie "Escape from New York".

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        1. Marlon Crump

          Yo couldn't be more wrong about my idea being motivated from some movie, "Escape from New York" "guest." My sentiments have been shared by many long before I was even impacted by police brutality/terror. The institutionalized ignorance that surrounds society 24/7 never ceases to amaze me.

          Oh and by the way? There are far more living testimonies to this never ending issue. Police culture protect their own, and so should communities on local and global levels.

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      2. Robin

        Thank you Marlon, I have to check out your Magazine and link it to my FB. I'll tell others to do the same. You know this tears my soul everytime I see another Brother shot down by racist, killer cops. There are Whites who feel the sting of the lash also. Lynn Stewart, Maryiln Buck, Gary Webb just to name a few. However, we know, the target is predominatley Black and Latino males plus their including more females. The people who are real know what it is they don't need an explaination. They realize this is good vs evil. What the racist, self hating blacks and other assimilationist,fail to understand is if you let injustice go unchallenged it's just a matter of time before it becomes your turn…or someone you love. MLK tried to tell it and he got a bullet in the head. They aint gonna win though.

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        1. Malaika H Kambon

          Thanks for remembering the women warriors, Robin! And also remember if it wasn't for JE Hoover and COINTELPRO, and the U.S. government, the Black Panther Party for Self Defense would be in place for those of us who really do want to be able to control our own communities…

          Remember the Deacons for Defense, ya'll? The AFRIKAN community that the Deacons for Defense defended didn't 'descend into chaos,' when they let the KKK know decades b4 El Hajj Malik El Shabazz said, 'There will be no more days like this!'

          The Black Community Organized and fought back!

          You punk idiots like 'guest' ,etc. should put a sock innit and stop trying to criminalize AFRIKANS fighting for freedom! Think about who the real criminals are!

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  16. autonomy

    All you folks who say "just do what the police say" have inspired me to use a term I have never used until now, sheeple. Thats exactly what you are, sheeple. Do what the police say, let them cuff you and throw you in a police car. Do what the police say, get on the trains. Do what the police say, get in the showers. If you resist, flee, or mouth off, you deserve what happens to you.
    And you who say we could not function without the police, prove it or shut it.
    Another man murdered by America's most dangerous gang. It appears that the OPD terrorists are emboldened by the Mehserle's slap on the wrist and the fact that so many Oaklanders are policing themselves instead of making sure that no LEO can feel safe walking the street.

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    1. Guest

      Of course… it's quite obvious that challenging the officer(s), arguing and resisting is the ALWAYS best course of action! Gosh, why did I never think of that before? The police are probably trained to always turn and walk away because it isn't worth the effort. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

      I'm hoping that I am around next time you get stopped by the police… it should be worth watching. Heck, you might even get on one of those police reality shows.

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  17. Joseph Anderson

    Keith: "How about not "FLEEING" the Police? …When told to do something, I did it. It has worked for me."

    DON'T YOU *COPS* — *KLANSMEN IN BLUE* — HAVE YOUR *OWN* WEBSITES TO GO POST AT?

    MURDEROUS COPS DON'T NEED THE EXCUSE THAT A BLACK MAN WAS FLEEING.

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  18. Joseph Anderson

    Our history is REPLETE with police murdering Black men and Black women who were just standing (or sitting) where they were — or who were *already* in custody — or who were *already* complying — or otherwise not fleeing anywhere — or who even called the cops for *assistance* (why anyone would think that the cops care about Black folks, I don't know).

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  19. Joseph Anderson

    These are the same kind of cops who participated in the legalized murder of Oscar Grant (New Year's Day, 2009) for his merely trying to catch his breath while heavily pinned face down on his chest with a cop's knee on the back of his neck! In fact, these are the same kind of cops who shoot and kill Black men, just minding their own business, for merely standing in the doorway of their own apartment building (Amado Diallo, 1999) and reaching for their wallet or keys: or, for merely sitting in their own car (Sean Bell, 2006) after their bachelor party the night before their wedding!; cops shoot and kill — on the 'latest' all-purpose charge of "reaching by his waistband" (which is also how you put up your hands) — nonviolent Black men (Steven Washington, 2010) with no criminal record even when those Black men *comply* with the cops' instructions.

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  20. Guest

    Yeah, how dare you insinuate that this was anything but cold-blooded murder! Anthony was there, and he saw the whole thing, just as he has for every other police action city-wide! And of course, Anthony knows Asians better than they know themselves — just ask him, all Asians are alike, right Anthony? And those OPD officers that got gunned down while doing their job had it coming… nobody knows that better than Anthony.

    Anthony has this whole race, justice and equality thing completely sussed out… so don't even bother trying to challenge him. If you do, then you deserve whatever name calling he chooses to fling at you… you better believe it!

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  21. Guest

    Hear, hear! It will be a much deserved relief for the gangsters, drug dealers, thieves and other oppressed criminals that roam Oakland's streets. Those poor criminals are endlessly harassed by evil police, when all they want to do is kill and exploit law-abiding citizens, as should be their right.

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  22. mesha Monge-Irizarry

    A heartfelt thanks to all you Comrades who bebunked the lame partyline/police responses to this article !Cops who have nothing better to do but fester on our websites on company time, budget and equipment, with unremarkable, sempiternal apologist and tragic posts.
    I am not dissing all cops here. My Godchild is world consultant on Community policing De Lacy Davis, president and founder of Black Cops Against Police Brutality, b-cap.org, delacydd@cs.com.
    I set up a yahoogroop and petition for Atlanta PD Black cop Terrence Alexander who had been fired and racially profiled by his department,as a result, Brother Terrence was reinstated.
    I regularly correspond with former Seatlle Police Chief Norm Stamper, now executive staff at LEAP (Law Enforcement Against prohibition), and author of "Breaking Rank", and maintain a working relationship with Dennis O'Leary, former SFPD captain and currently second in command at SF National Security. A Law Enforcement offical stiff as a board, but with integrity.I also network productively with Cops Against The Death Penalty

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    1. Robin

      This article was informative and enlightening. Big Ups to you and all those who are putting it on the line to get this information out. What passes for journalism in the msm is a joke. I also realize that all police are not bad. But the system is corrupt to the core. How can systemic and systematic racism be changed from within? I don't see it. How can the FBI who brought us the nefarious COINTELPRO turn around and be our saviour. We might as well ask the Klan at least they'll give an honest answer. But I believe in a JUST CREATOR and these perpetrators will reap what they sow.

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  23. mesha Monge-Irizarrt

    I am not merely ""upset" by the Mehserle farce sentencing,
    or all the "Fry Mumia" blogs popping up all over Cyberspace.
    Stop insulting our intelligence.
    My point here is not anti-cop,
    but pro police transparency and accountability.
    Last summer, a white supremacist, armed to his teeth, planned to kill ACLU members and was staked out for hours on a Bay Area freeway.
    Now in custody, UNHARMED,
    Today, another police long standoff w/ a white man claiming to have explosives on GG bridge.
    Now in custody, UNHARMED.
    Oscar Grant, Casper Banjo,
    Anita Gray, Andrew Mopin,
    Jose Luis Buenrostro, Derrick Jones,
    Leonard Bradley Jr., Mac Jody Woodfox,
    very DEAD.

    Any questions ?

    Justice 4 Derrick Jones webgroup that I set up last evening,
    groups.yahoo.com/group/Justice4Derrick_Jones/

    Racist cops, don't even try.
    Go Serve and Protect with our tax dollars, something.
    Site is strictly moderated when it comes to membership and messages.

    Again, thanks to all of you who confront the Hype
    of Illegal Racially Biased Policing !

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    1. @wiseoldsnail

      thank you, mesha. too bad this article represents the current situation, as articles and whole books about these issues written decades ago still do represent the current situation. this has to change. every officer who shoots an unarmed person should be locked up immediately, not put on a paid vacation.

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  24. Joseph Anderson

    SH*T, ANOTHER DAMN *COP*, COMMENT POSTING! — THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK!:

    *Lenny*: "Why are you not reaching out and denouncing BLACK ON BLACK homicidal behavior"

    YO, *PIG*!… CHECK THIS OUT!:

    "Where are all the Oscar Grant protests when we’re shooting each other in the hood?"
    – by Davey D
    http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/11/06

    There've been ALL SORTS OF black rap MOVEMENTS, campaigns and songs (that don't get credit in the white TV news media) to address violence — besides the violence of *PIG* cops — in our own communities: "Increase the Peace!", "Stop the Violence", "We [Blacks] All in the Same Gang", the Lifers' Group, How to Survive in the Ghetto, etc. — without some racist white-supremacist *PIG* (Lenny) pretending that he cares — in ghettos and low-income 'hoods created and sustained by white-supremacy in the first place.

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    1. Lenny

      Joseph – First of all, you should probably calm yourself down. Stop blaming the police for everything that is wrong with the black community. All of the anti violence movements you have mentioned should be applauded. However, do you realize that these movements are up against pervasive messages and movements in the black community promoting the exact opposite? I am not even going to list the hundreds upon thousands of songs, videos, and movies etc. that do nothing but promote black on black crime and violence. These are the things that the black community has chosen to embrace and respond to. Not the anti violence movements you mentioned generally speaking. What is strange is that you never see a protest in the black community against the police for NOT protecting the black community and not solving the dozens of homicides that occur in the black community that go unsolved. Instead, the black community embraces the "stop snitchin" mentality and these crimes go unsolved and the vicious cycle continues. If you were truly concerned about stopping the violence, you would embrace a police presence instead of blaming it for all of the problems in the black community.

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      1. Joseph Anderson

        Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

        IF YOUR WHITE *PIG* ASS spent as much time dealing with the promotion of violence in your *own* gang (IN *BLUE*) — ALL THE HUGE POLICE CORRUPTION SCANDALS — INCLUDING THOSE IN OAKLAND AND L.A. — and less time RACISTLY CRITICIZNG AND STEREOTYPING THE BLACK COMMUNITY this country in general, and the Black community in particular, would be much better off.

        WHEN I ONE DAY, FINALLY, SEE CROOKED AND CORRUPT COPS SNITCHING ON EACH OTHER — THE *ORIGINAL* _"DON'T SNITCH"_ MENTALITY — then maybe I'll worry about the Black community, so-called, "stop snitchin' attitudes.

        I'VE GOT SO MUCH VIDEO NEWS STORIES — ORIGINALLY COLLECTED ON TAPE — ABOUT CORRUPT COPS — THAT I WAS RUNNING OUT OF ENOUGH SHELF SPACE FOR THAT IN MY VIDEO LIBRARY — AND STOPPED COLLECTING ALL BUT THE VERY *WORST* EXAMPLES.

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        1. Joseph Anderson

          Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

          I've already written about the music scene, Black stereotype promotion, and white corporate music / entertainment labels themselves promoting negative lyrics:

          "PBS DOCUMENTARY ON HIP-HOP NEGLECTS THE ROLE OF *WHITE* CORPORATE MEDIA AND BLAMES BLACKS"

          - by Joseph Anderson

          SO WHY DON'T YOU SPEND YOUR *PIG* TIME CRITICIZING *THAT* — OR AT LEAST OUT *SOLVING* SOME OF THOSE CRIMES YOU'RE SO WORRY ABOUT IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY?

          –INSTEAD OF SPENDING SO MUCH OF YOUR *PIG* TIME COMING HERE TO *VENT* — WITH YOUR RACIST STEREOTYPES — AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE.

          And it's *NOT* "__hundreds upon thousands of songs, videos, and movies etc. __ that do nothing but promote black on black crime and violence."

          SO THERE YOU GO AGAIN — *PIG* — ENGAGING IN RACIST STEREOTYPES.

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          1. Joseph Anderson

            Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

            And as for, "never see a protest in the black community against the police for NOT protecting the black community and not solving the dozens of homicides":

            The Black community protests that all the time: why can't you *PIGS* solve more crime in the Black community.

            WHY HAVEN'T YOU PIGS SOLVED THE MURDER OF TUPAC YET? — WITH ALL THOSE LIGHTS AND CAMERAS ON THE LAS VEGAS STRIP AND ALL YOUR FORENSIC EQUIPMENT.

            In fact, when a Black person reports a crime, you *PIGS* just _MIGHT_ show up 5-24+ hours later — or you *PIGS* might not even show up at all! Or, you *PIGS* might come out and hassle the Black person who called you. Or, you *PIGS* might come out and even arrest the Black person who called you in the first place. I have a video of a Black ABC News reporter to called the *PIGS* when his car was set on fire, and the *PIGS* arrested *him*!

            THAT'S YOUR *PIGS* WAY OF TELLING US:

            'LOOK, IT'S NOT US PIGS' MISSION IN LIFE TO BE OUT HERE TO IMPROVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY.'

          2. Joseph Anderson

            Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

            Or, when you *PIGS* are called to help calm or restrain some Black person's mentally distraught loved one down (say, a Black mom calling the *PIGS* because her husband or son or nephew or whomever is, because maybe the guy is on drugs or off drugs or having a breakdown or whatever), you pigs end up LEGALLY MURDERING — using whatever flimsy excuse your whim comes up with — that loved on within 15-20 minutes of your arrival!

            THAT'S BECAUSE YOU *PIGS* DON'T COME OUT TO *RESOLVE* THE PROBLEM — YOU *PIGS* COME OUT — IF YOU SHOW UP AT ALL — TO **END** THE PROBLEM: *LETHALLY*.

            READ (ONLINE) MY FORMAL COMMENTARY "KARMIC JUSTICE" — AND READ ABOUT JEREMIAH CHASS!

            IF YOU *PIGS* WENT TO SOME WORKING-CLASS *ITALIAN* COMMUNITY AND ACTED LIKE THAT, *THEIR* GANG — THE MAFIA — WOULD HAVE A HIT MAN AND A *BULLET* FOR ONE OF YOU *PIGS'* HEAD(S).

          3. Joseph Anderson

            Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

            I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME HERE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT — BECAUSE WE ALREADY *KNOW* HOW *PIGS* ACT.

            WE'VE SEEN HOW PIGS TREAT BLACK *ACADEMICS* — IN THAT PERSON'S OWN HOME.

            (Once the cops confirmed that Skip Gates did reside in his house, then _end of story_ : it was the *PIGS* job to just *leave* at that point — maybe with a, "Sorry to disturb you, Professor Gates…, just checking because we got a call." Exactly what the *PIGS* would have said to a *WHITE* professor. SKIP GATES use to poo-hoo other Blacks who said they had experienced similar mistreatment — UNTIL IT HAPPENED TO HIM!)

            Btw, I recently went to a community event on police abuse — and, to my surprise, I saw a LOT of Asians there too! And I've heard about how *PIGS* have a history of harassing lower income Asians; snd have a history of harassing Asian female students around commuter colleges. I never met a person who could hate the *PIGS* more than a South Asian female I know.

            SO, GO BACK TO SOME *PIG* OR *TEA PARTY* WEBSITE — WHERE YOU'D BE MORE WELCOME — AND VENT TO *THEM* ABOUT "THOSE NIGGGERS!…"

          4. Joseph Anderson

            Yo, Lenny the *PIG*!

            MAKE NO MISTAKE:

            MY RESPONSES AREN'T EVEN FOR YOU — because I don't give an F*CK what *PIGS* think.

            These comments are for white readers who might find their way here and honestly wonder about the sh*t you're yakkin'.

  25. Robin

    The police are an occupying force they are not there to serve the community. Also it's an open secret that police bring drugs into the community. In fact it got so bad in New Orleans the police were having gang wars among themselves. You must be writing to read what you write. The Entertainment Industry controls what gets played not the entertainers. Lauren Hill has a petition Online to get her music played. She can't get it released because it doesn't promote sex, money and violence. You are a very, very ignorant person. "The Black Community embraces violence…For Real?! When the Mafia was doing shoot em up how many people ran and told. Why don't you ask the Police why the crimes aren't solved. Isn't that their job. Maybe it's not that important to them. Didn't you say you were black You do Uncle Tom proud.

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    1. garbage

      Robocop33 is the profile name of a policelink.com member that makes the following comments in reference to an article on the website entitled

      'White Ex-transit Officer’s Sentence Sparks Protest'

      It is a story about the people in Oakland who are protesting the ridiculous 2 year sentence Mehersle recieved for killing Oscar Grant.

      "These bastards, (sorry PL but that is what they are), would not be satisfied unless he was given the death penalty! This Officer should never have been charged, much less tried and convicted. It was a tragic accident that never would have happened if the POST that was shot had simply submitted to arrest, or better yet, had not been involved in the illegal activity in the first place. This has already destroyed the life of a fine young man who put his a$ on the line to help the very people that convicted him. FOR SHAME! I say declare Marshal Law and stop this immediately!” http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14742….

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    2. garbage

      Look at the comments made by police.com members after a story about asian american Jason Yang.

      Jason was running from police after a fight outside a nightclub and jumped to his death from a downtown Minneapolis freeway overpass, police said.

      Once again policelink.com members, many of them police officers, make hateful and caustic comments about jason and call him names. http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14748….
      However look at the comments by the cops on policelink.com after a story about a dog that fell 80 feet off a cliff. A deputy risked his life to save the dog.

      Lots of sympathetic comments for the dog….Go figure http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14749….

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  26. Jack

    To be real, it aint about nobody and what they think, feel,are just what to say. Somebody just lost there son and somebody else just lost there father. I mean somebody that they honestly love and care for so to me if u aint talking about SORRY ABOUT THE LOSE, then i dont think you should even be posting shit, motherfuckers should try putting themselfs in other people shoes sometimes and stop worrying about thereself didnt see none u fucker in the clip so why are commenting on shit and being hella disrespectful shout to the familys in yours lose and my GOD cover you and yours GOD BLESS

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  27. Latino

    Robocop33 is the profile name of a policelink.com member that makes the following comments in reference to an article on the website entitled
    'White Ex-transit Officer’s Sentence Sparks Protest'
    It is a story about the people in Oakland who are protesting the ridiculous 2 year sentence Mehersle recieved for killing Oscar Grant.

    "These bastards, (sorry PL but that is what they are), would not be satisfied unless he was given the death penalty! This Officer should never have been charged, much less tried and convicted. It was a tragic accident that never would have happened if the POST that was shot had simply submitted to arrest, or better yet, had not been involved in the illegal activity in the first place. This has already destroyed the life of a fine young man who put his a$ on the line to help the very people that convicted him. FOR SHAME! I say declare Marshal Law and stop this immediately!”
    http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14742….

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  28. Latino

    This is just one example of the hateful comments posted by members of policelink who are mostly police officers. It is tolerated. They are allowed by the moderators of this site to curse spew hate about Oscar Grant and the people of oakland who are protesting this injustice.

    The comments range from saying it was Grant’s fault he got killed to
    the officer should have never been found guilty because Grant was a criminal. Some even blame Grant's family for his death because they raised a criminal.

    Tell policelink what you think at
    info@policelink.com

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  29. Kevin B

    Burris is nothing but a money grubbing POS. Was he the attorney for Lovelle Mixon? HMMMM. I don't remember seeing his rat head at any press conferences. Anyway. This D J and Oscar Grant got what they deserved. Both were asked to put their hands up but didn't + resisted with the police + reached for their waistbands/pockets = Got sh0t. People let's teach these folks the 3 L's: Listen, Lay, and LIVE. It's just that simple.

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  30. all cops = murderers

    RIP lovelle mixon, maurice clemmons, liko kenney, etc.

    FREE ALL IMPRISONED COPKILLERS!!!!

    FIGHT POLICE TERRORISM!!!!!

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  31. garbage

    Robocop33 is the profile name of a policelink.com member that makes the following comments in reference to an article on the website entitled

    'White Ex-transit Officer’s Sentence Sparks Protest'

    It is a story about the people in Oakland who are protesting the ridiculous 2 year sentence Mehersle recieved for killing Oscar Grant.

    "These bastards, (sorry PL but that is what they are), would not be satisfied unless he was given the death penalty! This Officer should never have been charged, much less tried and convicted. It was a tragic accident that never would have happened if the POST that was shot had simply submitted to arrest, or better yet, had not been involved in the illegal activity in the first place. This has already destroyed the life of a fine young man who put his a$ on the line to help the very people that convicted him. FOR SHAME! I say declare Marshal Law and stop this immediately!” http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14742….

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  32. garbage

    This is just one example of the hateful comments posted by members of policelink who are mostly police officers. The moderators of policelink.com tolerate the often hateful and racist comments from their members.

    The comments range from saying it was Grant’s fault he got killed to
    the officer should have never been found guilty because Grant was a criminal. Some even blame his family for his death because they raised Grant to be a criminal.

    Tell policelink what you think at
    info@policelink.com

    Reply
  33. garbage

    Look at the comments made by police.com members after a story about asian american Jason Yang.

    Jason was running from police after a fight outside a nightclub and jumped to his death from a downtown Minneapolis freeway overpass, police said.

    Once again policelink.com members, many of them police officers, make hateful and caustic comments about jason and call him names. http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14748….
    However look at the comments by the cops on policelink.com after a story about a dog that fell 80 feet off a cliff. A deputy risked his life to save the dog.

    Lots of sympathetic comments for the dog….Go figure http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/14749….

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  34. Joseph Anderson

    THAT'D BE GREAT!

    FARRAKHAN ALWAYS SAID:

    STAY AWAY FROM *PORK*!!

    WE DON'T NEED KILLER COPS.

    We need to develop *alternatives* to *PIGS*.

    But *PIG* business is such *BIG* business in the U.S. that the capitalist system would never let us have community, institutional, and social *alternatives* to — like a better educational system, skilled job training programs, social safety net institutions, abandoning the so-called 'war on drugs' & instead treating any drug addiction like medical / psychological problems, true prison rehabilitation and meaningful re-integration into society, having alternative institutions for resolution of conflicts and restitution for crimes, a racially fair justice system, ETC. — and GREATLY LESSENING EVEN THE *NEED* FOR — the *PIGS*.

    YOU KNOW, THE NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T HAVE COPS & PRISONS OR ANY 'WAR ON DRUGS' — and they managed okay before the whites and the calvary came.

    (I FELT MUCH SAFER TRAVELLING IN THE UK, WHERE STREET COPS DON'T CARRY GUNS.

    THE ONLY TIME UK COPS LEGALLY MURDERED SOMEONE — a *Brazilian* named Jean Meneses — WAS WHEN A SPECIAL UNIT OF THE COPS HAD GUNS.)

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