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Friday, Aug. 7, call Jerry Brown and tell him to drop the appeal!

August 6, 2009

by Californians United for a Responsible Budget (CURB)

Not only is overcrowding in California prisons so severe as to amount to cruel and unusual punishment, the judges ruled on Aug. 4, but these fathers, husbands and sons are locked away from their lonely families, who desperately need them to survive these hard times. Tell Jerry Brown to let them go home! – Photo: CDCR
Not only is overcrowding in California prisons so severe as to amount to cruel and unusual punishment, the judges ruled on Aug. 4, but these fathers, husbands and sons are locked away from their lonely families, who desperately need them to survive these hard times. Tell Jerry Brown to let them go home! – Photo: CDCR
On Tuesday, Aug. 4, a federal three-judge panel issued a final historic ruling in the California prison health care lawsuits. The panel ordered the state to release 44,000 people in prison.

This decision is a huge opportunity to improve prison health care, parole, sentencing laws, prison construction and re-entry conditions and shift budget priorities to education, health and safety net services. We need to insure that this order is implemented so we can begin reinvesting in our communities during the enormous budget crisis.

“Tough on crime” organizations are mobilizing already to reverse this decision – so we need to make ourselves heard loudly right away.

Please call and fax Attorney General Jerry Brown all day Friday, Aug. 7, and demand that he not appeal the ruling.

Tell your friends, coworkers and neighbors! We need the calls and faxes to keep coming. If you want more information about the ruling and our work to reduce the number of people in prison in California, we want to work with you!

By phone

Call Jerry Brown at (916) 322-3360; hit #7 for comments. Sample script:

I am calling to demand that Attorney General Jerry Brown refuse to appeal the three-judge ruling in the prison population lawsuit. We need to reinvest in our communities, and release people from prison.

By fax

Fax Jerry Brown at (916) 323-5341. Sample letter:

Dear Attorney General Jerry Brown:

I am writing to share my support for the three-judge panel’s decision ordering California to release 44,000 people in prison. This decision is a huge opportunity to solve some of the interconnected problems we face: prison health care and conditions, parole, sentencing laws, prison construction and re-entry. We also need to make sure this order is implemented so we can reinvest in our communities during the enormous budget crisis. We need to release the people and the resources California is locking up.




To learn more about the CURB Alliance and get involved in our organizing, find us here:

• Northern California, (510) 444-0484

• Southern California, (323) 951-0436

Californians United for a Responsible Budget (CURB) is a broad based alliance of over 40 organizations seeking to CURB prison spending by reducing the number of people in prison and the number of prisons in the state. CURB urges readers to forward this notice widely.

74 thoughts on “Friday, Aug. 7, call Jerry Brown and tell him to drop the appeal!

  1. Cora

    Everyone PLEASE PLEASE!!!!CALL jerry brown… My Husband has been locked up for almost 26 yrs serving 15 to life with pos. he was 19 yrs old he is now 45 yrs old he has done every program there is to do he works don't get into trouble

    he have done everything the parole board ask him to do yet again another denial PLEASE TELL EVERYONE TO CALL FAX


  2. Renee

    I hope you all appeal to Jerry Brown and that the public outcry forces him to drop the case so out family members can finally come home.

    My son “Jason” has been locked up at Salinas Valley for the past 4 1/2 years, serving a 104 year sentence, after being convicted of several rapes based on faulty DNA evidence. Forcing the early release of men like my son will reunite them with their friends and families and will make the community safer.

  3. Centurionj

    Stock prices for private prisons are going up. We may release a few, but inmates like Renee’s kid or Cora’s husband are’nt going anywhere. Felons convicted of violent crimes will stay in oru level 3 & 4 prisons.

    Cora, if you’re going to marry a lifer, you gotta understand he’s a lifer and he ain’t getting out any time soon. You should have known that…..

    So sad…..

  4. Debi

    Well, the leave a message number isn’t working. I have no idea why they refuse to hear from the public except that they don’t really want to hear any more horror stories about the California prison system. I am sadden and angry with the injustice in California. Watching inmates staved because the state can’t afford to feed them, and seeing inmates imprisoned for life for offensives that are considered minor (because these people have been in trouble before). California locks up people for excessive amounts of time for nothing except to keep the system going strong and employing people. Sentences keep increasing and people are doing more and more time. Go unions—- public empolyees keep advocating for extented time and keep pouring money into a system that keeps minor offenders locked up for life. One mistaken as a youth could make even accidental crimes life offensives. Proud to be an American, I think not. My son has been to war twice, for freedom? How sad.

  5. Light at the End

    To Centurionj: How DARE you pass judgment on these women? There are a whole lot of inmates that were given OUTRAGEOUS sentences due to prosecutorial misconduct, flawed evidence, and asinine sentencing laws, particularly in the case of “3 strikes” offenders. The sentencing laws in this state are horrendous and their immediate revision should be put on the “get it done YESTERDAY’ list.

  6. Centurion

    No judgement was passed Debs. I just made a couple comments, was all.

    I do have a question for you though. If our inmates are starving in California, how come so many of these guys are obese?

  7. Cora

    centurionj just to let you no i have been with My Husband since i was 13yrs old and married at 18 dude dont say that My Husband will not be coming home you need to Read the 184 page order i did all 184 pages so yes he will be coming home….light at the End Thank you


  8. rockys lil girl

    centurion, it sahows that you have no idea what these inmates look like. They are not Obese! You are just talking cause god gave you a mouth. Why dont you use to for something that people will benefit. You have not opened your eyes its clear hopefully one day you will. LETS CALL GIRLS LETS DO THIS

  9. Centurion

    Actually lil girl, I am retired from the California Dept of Corrections. I worked five different pens in my career so I actually have a very good idea of what I am talking about.

    Just saw Jerry on the news. He has no intention of letting your boyz go free. So if you want to get all that girl power going and call Sacramento you go right ahead.

    I think this will be all for now. You all are reminding me of why I retired and left this God forsaken state……..

  10. Marla

    There’s a shock. A guard that made money and then bailed on the state that paid him. Don’t like what you see??

    If CDCR would put as much money into re-entry programs as they sink into their pockets, the outcome for most of these prisoners(not all are men) would be better. If there were farms on the grounds money could be saved on food and the prisoners would have something better to do with their days. If contracts were taken away so that fair prices could be charged for all services then the bill would go down farther.

    Give each of us with a loved one inside the $46,000.00 CDCR says they spend on each prisoner per year and I will bet you that we can come out with better results then they do!!

    The money they save on warehousing prisoners could then be spent on educating the young to prevent this problem from happening.

  11. Kima

    To: Attorney General Jerry Brown

    Dear Sir,

    I am writing to support the decision of the three judge panel; that California institute a reduction plan to ease our overcrowded prisons within the next two years.

    As you know, this state has had 77 court orders within the last 13 years to fix our broken prison system. Continuing to ignore these orders is akin to flipping the bird at our courts.

    I find it quite disturbing that you would even consider taking this to the United States Supreme Court. It is a waste of tax-payer dollars, and it flies in the face of your decision on Prop 8. In the case of Prop 8, you sided with the courts and not the majority vote of the public. Yet here is (yet another) court order, and you are siding against the judge’s demands. It would appear that you sway with whichever political decision would further your own career. And with that, whichever contributors to your campaign (such as the CCPOA) would further your run for Governor in 2010.

    This state has buried its head in the sand for way too long in regards to our prison system. It’s time to get smart on crime and put plans into place that will provide such things as alternative sentencing, a revisiting of our penal code and sentencing laws, more extensive in-prison programs such as vocational, educational and substance abuse programs, build re-entry centers and get our parole procedures rewritten to help this segment of our society return to our communities with the tools they need to become successfully reintegrated. Other states have been successful at reducing their prison populations, and they also have much lower rates of recidivism, with no further danger to public safety.

    There has been a myriad of studies and reports done on this subject, most of them paid for with tax-payer money. Yet our legislators continue to refuse to implement the many suggestions that have been made by professionals in this field. WHY? They have detailed common sense solutions that would keep the public safe and while helping to rehabilitate this segment of our society and ease the overcrowding of our prisons.

    Challenging the judge’s decision is not a smart move. In fact, it has the potential to lead to an even further order to reduce our prison population. Perhaps an order to bring our prisons to 100% design capacity, rather the 137.5% that the judges demanded? Or maybe they will throw this case out completely, as it would open quite the can of worms for every other state in this nation. Risking that the Supreme Court would side with California against its own district judges is quite unlikely, and it is a costly game of chicken that you are playing.

    I am a registered Republican who has gotten extremely disenfranchised with my party, in large part due to it’s pandering to the likes of the CCPOA and it’s refusal to address the prison overcrowding issue in a logical and competent manner. Instead of fixing this problem, they have been a large contributor to it with their host of new laws and further penal actions (such as Prop 9).

    I plan to re-register as either a Democrat or an Independent. Your actions in regards to the order handed down by the Ninth District Circuit of Federal Judges will determine which party I join.

    Do the right thing. COMPLY WITH THE ORDER!

    Thank you,

    Kim A.

  12. Retired Guest

    Get a grip folks. Anyone who didn’t belong in prison isn’t there any more. There isn’t enough room to put all in there who belong there….and whoever actually does make it in, damned well belongs in prison. 27 years of dealing with these societal derelicts and I do know what I am talking about. Our streets are not safe as not enough are able to be locked up…and you want another 44,000 to be released to prey upon you and your family?

  13. CSJ


    I work in one of the State’s prisons. Believe it or not, most of the inmates know that they belong there. Most would love to get out, but they’ll admit that they belong there. It’s too bad that you don’t realize that also.

    PS: How many of you will be the first to scream bloody murder when their release causes you to suffer a loss?

  14. Kima

    Retired Guest- If you really knew what you were talking about, you’d be much more knowledgeable about the reports and studies that have been done on this issue for years. They outline precise ways to cut crime, reduce the prison population, and end the recycling back into the system its prisoners (at the highest rate of recidivism) in the country. Are you saying that California prisoners are a breed apart – worse than any other state, more evil than the rest of the nation? The system is broken and it needs a major overhaul. Considering that you’ve made a career out of keeping people locked up, rather than supporting more front-end measures and prison alternatives, and programs that would help these folks reintegrate back into society, I can’t say that I’m surprised you are being purposefully obtuse on this subject. Gotta keep the gravy train rolling, huh? Get a grip and get a CLUE, Guest, and read some of those reports.

    And in case you didn’t realize it, there WILL NOT be a massive release of 40,000 prisoners. The intent is to REDUCE the prisons by 40,000 in the next two years through various means (read the judges ruling and the governors proposals). Opening wide the prisons doors and creating a massive floodgate of prisoners let loose on the streets is a myth generated to instill public fear and it’s a scare tactic that the public is finally catching on to. At least you were honest about your former profession. So many guards are posting and commenting this bogus fear crap that it’s refreshing that you aren’t pretending to be just another joe public member running out to buy a gun. (It’s also nice to read something posted by a guard that knows how to use his spellcheck).

    FYI: There are many people in prison who DON’T belong there, at least not a first. But our prison system does a great job of creating career criminals. Hmmm… I guess that’s called “job security” for your type, eh? Treat a human like an animal and what do they become? Most of them will eventually become animals.

  15. john tucker

    You bleeding heart hug-a-thugs are a joke. Your criminal husbands, wives, kids, etc are in prison for a good reason, they committed many crimes that victimized and hurt innocent people. I am glad I read the article, because I will make sure I call the number and tell Mr Brown how much I support him and his appeal against the 3 Jerk Pannel. I will tell all of my friends, who are sickened by the thought of 44,000 scum bags being released to the streets and cuts to the CDCR. People are waking up and speaking out aganist things like Government health care and plans like this that want to release scum into the street without proper supervision. I am going to do what ever I have to, to make sure criminals do not get out early. I will make sure my friends do the same. Californians are going to wake up and see that releasing inmates will not save money, it will only hurt California.

  16. john tucker

    KIMA, I am curious, do you have a study to show Lily Burk’s parents as to why their daughter was killed. I love all the so called left wing hug-a-thug data. The only data I need is when one of these scum kill innocent people like poor Lily Burk to know that we need to keep putting criminals in prison for breaking the law.

  17. Madhatter

    What’s the matter john tucker? Is the thought of less inmates scaring you? Think your overtime will be affected? Think you might lose your job? Because it is pretty obvious you work for CDCR.

    Don’t you GET IT? California is broke!!! Instead of keeping so many locked up in prison and paying exorbitant salaries and overtime to CCPOA correctional officers, the people want to use that money to educate the youth of California so they do not end up in prison.

  18. Kima

    John, I have not posted one single time that I thought prisons should be done away entirely. Only that our system is broken, and that it needs a massive overhaul. Not EVERY person in jail or prison is a murderer, or a scum bag, or a psychopath. But we continue to fill our prisons to overflowing, leaving less room for those who truly need to be locked up away from society. 95% of the prisoners we keep behind bars will eventually get released, and with little to no programming or rehabilitative services, it is a recipe for disaster.

    Lily’s parents are of course in my prayers, as is this entire debacle of a prison system. Yes, there are reports they can read (the Little Hoover Commission is a good one to start with). They will learn that our legislators have had umpteen chances to rebuild our prison and criminal justice systems and provide more rehabilitative services, which has been proven to reduce crimogenics. They will likely be quite furious with our government for being lax in initiating these desperately needed measures. Measures that may well have affected Lily’s murderer in a positive manner, and kept her from being his victim.

    John, there will always be a few deviant and horrific acts imposed upon society by psychopaths. We live in a state with over 33 million people, and we are ALL potential victims. People go in on frivolous and often trumped up charges, only to come out with more hate and anger in their hearts. If they don’t go in with a criminal background, they will likely come out with a prison “education”. Not smart on our part, since as I said, 95% of them will all eventually get out! Our communities need to ban together and implement ways to keep our youth from entering the criminal justice system in the first place (front-end diversion), and create re-entry and reintegration programs that will keep the revolving door shut. Programs that will return them to society with the skills they need to become law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. Other states do it, why can’t California? And why in the world would anyone be against prison reform, unless their paycheck rides on keeping as many people behind bars as possible? I’m going to take a wild guess that you’re a prison guard, as I understand that many of you have made a pact to continue scaring the public with your rhetoric by blitzing articles such as this – but all for the “public’s safety”, right? Nothing at all to do with paychecks, benefits and pensions…

    Just as an FYI to you, John: As horrific as Lily’s death was, it is something that will come to all of us. Death, in whatever guise, plays no favorites. With the hardness in your heart I would guess that you have yet to come to terms with your Creator. May I kindly, and with all due respect, suggest that you do so? Maybe then you would realize that out of the 170,000 people we currently have behind bars, many of them stand a chance at rehabilitating – IF WE GIVE THEM THE NECESSARY TOOLS TO DO SO! Read the reports, educate yourself on the facts, and use logic and common sense to debate this issue, because all the fear tactics in the world doesn’t solve the problem. OVERCROWDED PRISONS THAT WE CAN’T AFFORD!!!

  19. Marla

    Because of the “Three Strikes” law and a reluctance to grant parole, more Californians are growing older in prison than ever before. It is estimated that by 2022, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) will incarcerate about 30,000 elders. Due to health-related expenses, the annual cost of imprisoning an older person, at a conservative estimate, is at least $70,000, twice that of a younger prisoner. The report questions the wisdom of committing such vast economic resources for the continued punishment of older prisoners, the group with the lowest recidivism rate of any segment of the prison population.

  20. Not a bad Guy

    I don’t understand why the people on this blog have forgotten that these laws were voted into place. I agree we need reform, but the programs that need to be put in place are not up to the people doing the job at the bottom. It is the job of the administrators to bring these programs on line. You people bashing the “Guards” have no clue what goes on inside the walls of a prison. All you do is listen to poor little Johnny who tells you they have it so bad. Yes, there are inmates in prison that have been wrongly convicted, but that is a small minority. Yes, I do work in a California Prison. I don’t see too many of these guys starving. If it so bad, why is there so much money being spent on food services and health care. The state may have had issues with health care three years ago, but that has been fixed and is now going overboard. You people that read a judges report and think that’s all you need to research what’s going on are very sad. What Mr. Tucker said about the Burk case is very true. Correctional Staff can’t win either way. The voters of this state have spoken over and over. California’s citizens do not want career criminals to be on the streets. The days of the “bad police set me up” are over.

    I see things all the time in the paper were law enforcement get in trouble for not following the rules and they are held accountable for there actions. With the way evidence has devolved over the last couple decades, it is a lot less likely that these people are wrongly convicted of thing like rape and murder. I hate to tell all of the people on here, but not all “Prison Guards” are ignore and we don’t just throw away people and lose the keys. There are many laws on the books to protect these people that are incarcerated here in this state.

    Again, like Mr. Tucker and the others said. I really hope none of you ever become victims of these people, but from the sound of these comments, you already are.

    For Renee, if your son is wrongly convicted, I hope he does receive justice and is set free. If he did commit the crimes he has been convicted of, then he is were he belongs.

    And Mrs. Cora, I feel the same way about your husband. I would like to see all the other facts of this case before I make judgment on the Parole Board for not giving a convicted murderer Parole.

    All of you on here that hate CDCR, It does not matter if anyone else makes sound comments about this issue, because to you, you are all victims of the system.

    You are all victims; you people just don’t realize who the victims are.

  21. sidewalker

    Im thinkin, that Not a bad Guy may be the victim here.
    After all he does work for the state of CA.

    Face it folks, there are alot of guys who DO need to be where they are, and there are probably just as many who do NOT need to be there.

    The laws in this state, and punishments for violating those crimes, we cannot afford.
    We need to find middle ground and put funds into FIXING this mess.
    Not being *tough on crime* and not *letting them get away with a slap on the wrist*
    its somewhere in the middle.
    Rehabilitation is supposed to be a part of CDCR……..
    but its really NOT right now.

  22. charles

    They are in here fighting for there money making jobss thats all they are fighting for no prisonersss no big jobsss.. this is what help broke calif guard and union ..

  23. Renee

    You people are unbelievable, using people like my son and his unfortunate situation as a political bat to run around and smack down good honest politicians who just want to do the right thing and send boys like my son home to their mothers. Prisons in California do nothing to better the inmates housed in them. Boys like my son need trauma counseling and rehabilitation because of the way the guards mistreat him. you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

  24. Not a bad Guy

    Renee, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but now you’re just being plain ignorate.

    Sidewalker, your rite, maybe I am the victim. LOL working for the state the last couple years has hurt. Not just in my pocket but also in my pride. I will never be able to walk around without looking over my shoulder and feeling that my wife and kids are safe when we are in public.

    Your boys chose the life they have. And again if they are innocent they should get a second chance in life.

    I will not post on here again but I will continue to read and think about all your poor little guys that did nothing wrong when I watch these guys beat and stab each other.

  25. Kima

    Just curious…what does ignorate mean?
    And I’m going to guess that you meant “feeling like your wife and kid’s AREN’T safe when you’re in public”. No one is – not in California, not in the United States, and not in this world. We can make ourselves SAFER, but crime and disaster will always be lurking. That is precisely why we need more rehabilitation programs! To lessen the chances of becoming a victim of crime. I’ve been the victim of violent crimes twice, and had three girlfriends viciously murdered in a four year period. But rather than hope this mess all goes away, I choose to advocate for RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. It’s applying common sense and compassion, rather than adding more hate to the mix. (And no, I am not a “bleeding heart” liberal. Far from it.)

    By the way, if you don’t like your job, get another one. No one is holding YOU prisoner!

  26. Phishfood

    Are you all serious? You feel so bad for these ‘husbands, brothers, etc.. etc..’ Did you forget the reason they are behind bars? “He didn’t do it..” sure… we have courts for that.. if he didn’t do it, he wouldn’t be in jail. Some of you wives, brothers, sisters, homeboys, essays, what ever you may be, need to take a step back and understand that if somebody breaks the law, they will do the time

  27. Kathy

    I really hate to say this, but after looking at other State Prison System’s, one being North Carolina, California is better off building more Prisons; each one would hold about 1,000 inmates and employ about 400 Guards per 1,000 like NC.

    THIS would create not only a safer environment for the Inmates, but the CO’s.

    THEN, we would be able to KNOCK the PAY SCALE DOWN for the CO’s, (since they will no longer be working in a hazardous Job), to about $25,000.00 per year. This Pay scale would be GOOD for those seeking employment without a HS Diploma.

  28. chatterbox

    I am a relief officer which means I work every postion at the CDCR prision I work at.

    When I am in Vocation, I see 1 or 2 inmates working on projects while 18 are sitting around doing nothing.

    When I am in Education I see 1 or 2 inmates listening to the instructor while the rest are reading magazines and chatting with one another (like a high school class with a substitute teacher).

    See, inmates clog up programs not because they want help, but so they get extra yard, dayroom, and canteen priviledges.

    Bottom line you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.

    Also, the inmates get a balanced diet (military style) with a good calorie intake. No, it isn’t stake and potatos but it is healthy food and most inmate eat most their food. They prolly tell you it’s terrible so you will send them money for canteen.

    I would challenge any of you this: Cut off your inmate financially for 180 days and I bet they hardly write or talk to you eventually. And if they do they will tell you they love you and please send them money. You fill the financial voids in their lives. Many have more than one honey you don’t even know about.

    Oh yeah, every time I read outgoing mail, I see a letter of an inmate about to parole breaking up with that loved one who has been sending them money every month.

    I know I know. I am full of it. You don’t want to hear the truth. Continue to believe what you want; Inmates know you think this way and that why they got the con on you.

    And For ALL THE MOMS OUT THERE. I am actually glad you come see your child; I couldn’t expect anything less out of a loving parent. You are the sole reason I support visiting.

    For the rest of you, Good luck with Jerry Brown.

  29. Marla

    If the vocation helps 1 or 2, then there are 2 that will learn something to help them when they get out. If 1 or 2 are listening to the educator, then they are increasing their chances to better themselves. Some are not listening because their education level is lower than that of the class.

    The websites look great for what CDCR says they offer inmates for vocation or education. Unfortunately most have been shut down, other than of course the ones that are useful to the government.

    Money sent in also buys soap, toothpaste, deodorant, shampoo, vitamins, and things other than candy and cookies. I’m sure the food they serve is healthy when it comes through the door, but I doubt it is healthy by the time it is served. Only a marathon runner needs that many carbs in their diet.

    Those that are guilty should be able to do their time in a humane way. Even Haven Humane treats animals that have attacked humans better.

  30. sidewalker

    I think that many who work in LE feel the same as Not a bad guy. That goes with the job. You only see the bad guys. So you think everyone has a hidden motive, or is up to no good. Once a bad guy always a bad guy, huh? Sounds a bit paranoid to me.

    More programs. Maybe instead of offering extra yard time or canteen for those who participate……..why not just offer the program/class. For those who just want to bs their way thru a class……bounce them. For those who want to learn, change or better themselves …….keep them on.

    For those who are in prison for life, a vocation class probably isnt the best for them. Allow those with lighter sentences into those classes. They will be the ones to use it best. They will be getting out someday.

    As for the substitute CO, chatterbox……
    I have *cut off* my inmate. I dont have the money to give him extra. He works and gets paid the hefty sum of 16 cents an hr….or maybe its 12. Whatever it is, 55% is taken from it, and whats left over, he gets what extras he can.
    Im sure there are guys who string along someone, until they dont need them anymore, but dont make it sound as if its all of them.
    Thats *a con*

  31. chatterbox

    Maria, you missed my point. The point is only a couple take advantage of their voc and education opportunities. There are 3 levels of ed classes at my pen, one is very basic. It will be sad when voc and ed gets shut down for the very few who are utilizing rehabilitation, but a 1.2 bill cut in the CDC will result that. And COs don’t want to see this happen anymore than any of you.

    Staff has to sample every meal and evaluate it, I have ate the food; Nothing is wrong with it. The state provides all the hygenine items a person needs.


    Yes they get 8 to 32 cents an hour minus the restitution they owe back to society. I remind inmates they make 16 cents an hour plus $43,000 dollars the tax payers money put out to give them free Room, board, Medical and Recreation.

  32. LARRY


  33. charles

    The guards are flaming angry. On Aug 5, the guard’s took inmates at Sierra Conservation Center out on the yard and made them stand unprotected in the searing heat for four hours while their cells were totally trashed. Later that evening they did the same thing to two more buildings, tearing hooks off the wall – destroying personal possessions. There is no oversight, no accountability for laws broken but the regulations say that when guards are looking for a certain item, that the inmates are supposed to be present for the “cell search.” This was all done under the guise of looking for a “guard’s radio.”

  34. LARRY

    NO ! THATS BULL ! most of that 43,000 dollarsss of tax payer money gos to prison guardsss and your union
    guards are so mad they are taking it out on the inmatesss

  35. RayeRaye

    My husband is guilty of protecting his family. He is doing his time 10 yrs (down 7.5 already) without a “fuss”.

    My question is do you feel it is “humane treatment”…..

    when a person that has nerve damage and seizures has to 602 a half a dozen times within 6 months because his meds have been given to another inmate, have mysteriously “ran out”, or are just “lost” all together? To top it off his Rx was changed without ever being notified by a doctor?

    He is also housed in a gym that does not have proper ventilation with 120 men. They were doing orientation for a group of COs and one threw up after entering the gym because of the stench. Not to mention that they have been turning off all electricity (lights, TV, phones, fans…etc) a couple of times a week due to budget cuts. Oh but these inmates are so dangerous….hhhmmm

    I read a comment that stated the violent offenders will stay at level 3-4..well my husband must be an exception to the rule. He went from a level 4 doen to level 1 points but due to his charge he must be housed on a level 2 yard.

    Now how am I supposed to feel SAFE when a CO has called my husband into the office and flaunted the fact that he has my husbands C-file and knows everything. He then proceeds to ask my husband questions about me…very personal questions. I do not know if this was an attempt to “egg” my husband on….or if he was morbidly curious about info obtained from the C-file. Either way this CO makes it an effort to approach the area I am in at every visit and it is not comfortable.

    just my 2 cents….

  36. john tucker

    Once again,you hug-a-thugs are so pathetic. You people have no idea how good they have it in prison. Out of the 170,000 inmates that are in the CDCR, there are maybe 100 people that shouldn’t be in there. For those 100, I hope they have their day in court and allowed to leave. However, the 169,900 are guilty as all get out and they deserve to be in prison. I believe more prisons will be built so that 40,000 scum bags won’t be released to hurt innocent people like Lily Burk. The politicians know that allowing these scum to be released early, it will be political suicide, so the best thing to do is build more prisons. I for one am willing to pay more taxes to build more prisons and hire more police officers, sheriffs, C/O’s and Parole Agents. I think the majority of the public would be willing to pay more taxes for building prisons in order to keep are streets safe. I support Jerry Brown in appealing the 3 jerk panel of left wing judges. California will not allow this to happen, just like we didn’t allow gay marriage to be legal. The majority of the country hates criminal scum who pray on the innocent, these releases will never happen. Lily Burk’s death will not be forgotten, and she will be the face against letting out the filth and scum into the streets of California.

  37. mary Post author

    Dear John,

    You’re making no sense. For example, if what you say about “the majority of the country” were true, then why is the incarceration rate in most of the country – and the world – far lower than in California? And you want to build more prisons and hire more law enforcement officers? Who will pay for them when Republicans in the legislature are dead set against taxes.

    But more than that, words like “filth and scum” are painful and infuriating to the millions of Americans who have friends and loved ones locked up in cages, treated worse than animals in a zoo.

    You are treading very close to the point where I will have to delete your comments. If you want to express your views, do so with respect.

    Mary Ratcliff, editor
    SF Bay View

  38. Centurion

    C’mon Mary. John Tucker makes a lot of sense. You state that the rest of the county’s rate is far lower than in California?

    The national rate of incarceration in the United states is 506 per 100,000.

    California’s rate of incarceration is 471 per 100,000.

    How typical of you bleeding hearts liberals to mistate the facts. And don’t take it from me. Do a google search.
    California ain’t even close.

    Dave Freeman
    citizen at large

  39. john tucker

    Dear editor, I believe the Republicans would allow more taxes as long as the taxes went to law enforcement and incarceration operations. Also, we can build more prisons and hire more law enforcement officers as long as we cut illegal alien services, inmate programs that don’t work, cut inmate medical care back to the same level as the tax paying citizen, cut welfare programs for those who refuse to work and live off of the liberal programs, cut programs that involve the study of fish swiming up the American river, stop giving educational grants to people who don’t deserve them, these are just a few of the things that could be cut to allow for more prisons to be built. Liberal programs are what is killing the state. Also, Liberals won’t allow us to drill of the coast of Santa Barbra, that could have brought in a ton of revenue and jobs. The state is being destroyed by San Fransicko politicians who believe that illegal aliens and criminals are more important than the Hard Working Citizens of this state. I will agree, I think we need to raise taxes in order to build more prisons and hire more law enforcement officers, however, the taxes need to go to the correct programs and not to stupid warm and fuzzy liberal programs that don’t work! I will no longer use certain names to describe the inmates. However, would you be opposed to me calling them what they are, KILLERS, RAPISTS, CHILD MOLESTERS, DRUG USERS, DRUG DEALERS, WIFE BEATERS, CHILD RAPISTS, ROBBERS, THEIVES, DRUNK DRIVERS WHO KILL PEOPLE AND COP KILLERS? I am very interested to see how you respond, regarding what I call inmates.

  40. mary Post author

    Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

    As they say, there are no rich people on death row, and that goes for prisoners generally. Since rich people commit crimes with impunity and stay out of prison, I’m for the judges’ plan to release prisoners who have amply paid for the crimes they were convicted of – whether or not they committed those crimes – so they can return to their loved ones, support their families and pay taxes rather than costing taxpayers $40,000 – $70,000 a year for their misery.

    What do other readers think? Should we continue to allow John and others to spew their hate?

    Mary Ratcliff, editor
    SF Bay View

  41. Centurion

    No Mary, we should not.

    Exercise your editorial powers and delete all dissenting opinions.

    I mean, if we don’t agree with YOU Mary, we mustg be spewing hate, right?

    Delete us all Mary. It will make you feel so much better……

  42. sidewalker

    well, chatterbox, I could provide all of those things.
    Im paying for his medical, right now. Even tho he wouldnt be able to go to a doctor on the *outside*………
    gawd……forbid…..he might LIE

  43. sidewalker

    well, chatterbox, I could provide all of those things.
    Im paying for his medical, right now. Even tho he wouldnt be able to go to a doctor on the *outside*………
    gawd……forbid…..he might LIE about his medical condition.
    its funny almost. If it was not so damn sad.

    you said it. But dont forget, all inmates are guilty, all inmates lie, and every CO is to believed no matter what, because after all, all of them MUST be guilty of SOMETHING.
    LORD HELP THEM who think that.
    I used to think that way too.
    Hopefully none of them will experience the crap many of us have gone thru.
    (oops, forgot, we are hug a thugs……….lol tooooooooooooo funny.)
    just hope that guys kid does not do something to land his butt in jail or prison.

    face it guys…….the WHOLE SYSTEM needs a revamp.
    all of it.

    (but then some jobs might be at *risk*…..hummmmmmmm could that be the problem here???
    oh no. forgot. Its those damn pesky inmates that have some RIGHTS??!!)


  44. Badge Owner

    Mary, I don’t think John is spewing hate. Although he might be rough around the edges in the language he chooses and although some that are incarcerated may be wrongfully convicted, the vast majority are where they need to be. Statistics show that most people convicted of a felony have had multiple law enforcement contacts prior to their last conviction. The report below is from the U.S Department of Justice. I hope all your readers will look over the numbers and come to their own conclusions. I’m not casting a stone, just presenting the facts.


    In the nation’s 75 most populous counties, an estimated 57,497 defendants
    were charged with a felony offense in 2004. About two-thirds of these felony
    defendants were charged with a drug or property offense, while 23% had
    charges for violent offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, or aggravated
    assault. More than three-fourths of felony defendants had a prior arrest
    history, with 53% having at least five prior arrest charges. Nearly 60% of
    felony defendants in the nation’s 75 most populous counties were released
    prior to adjudication and about a third of the released defendants committed
    some form of pretrial misconduct. About two-thirds of felony defendants
    were eventually convicted and more than 95% of these convictions occurred
    through a guilty plea. Nearly three-fourths of defendants convicted of a
    felony offense were incarcerated in a state prison or local jail.

    Other major findings on felony defendants in large urban counties include –

    *An estimated 80% of felony defendants were male, and about 40% were
    non-Hispanic blacks.

    *About 40% of felony defendants were on probation or parole or had some
    other relationship with the criminal justice system at the time of arrest.

    *Almost half (46%) of all defendants had been previously convicted of a

    *For offenses other than murder, the median case processing time from arrest
    to adjudication was under 6 months.

    *Defendants convicted of violent felonies received prison sentences
    averaging about 8 years; non-violent felons were sentenced to about 3 years

    These findings are from the 2004 State Court Processing Statistics (SCPS)
    data collection program. The SCPS program collects data on the
    demographic characteristics, criminal history, pretrial release, adjudication,
    and sentencing of felony defendants in a sample of the nation’s 75 most
    populous counties.

    Data in this report can be accessed through html tables available on the BJS
    Website at:

    Two-thirds of felony defendants were charged with a drug or property

    An estimated 57,497 felony cases were filed in the state courts of the nation’s
    75 largest counties during May 2004. About a quarter of defendants were
    charged with a violent offense, usually robbery or assault (figure 2). Less
    than 1% of defendants were charged with murder (0.6%) or rape (0.9%).

    About two-thirds of defendants were charged with a drug (37%) or property
    offense (31%). About 40% of drug defendants, 15% of defendants overall,
    were charged with drug trafficking. A majority of property defendants were
    charged with burglary (8% of all defendants) or larceny (8%). About 10% of
    defendants were charged with a public-order offense. A majority of these
    charges were driving-related (3%) or weapons-related (3%) offenses.

    Eight out of 10 felony defendants were males

    Eighty-two percent of felony defendants were male, including 90% or more
    of those charged with rape (99%), a weapons offense (96%), murder (92%),
    robbery (91%), or a driving-related offense (90%). Women accounted for
    41% of fraud defendants and about a third of forgery (34%) and larceny/theft
    (29%) defendants.

    Blacks accounted for two-fifths of felony defendants

    Non-Hispanic blacks comprised more than half of the defendants charged
    with robbery (56%), a weapons offense (54%), or drug trafficking (51%)
    (table 1). Non-Hispanic whites were nearly half of those charged with a
    driving-related felony (44%). Hispanics comprised almost half of those
    charged with motor vehicle theft (44%). Half of the defendants were under
    age 30. Seventeen percent were under age 21, including 40% of those
    charged with robbery and 30% of those charged with motor vehicle theft.
    Three percent of defendants were under age 18, including 13% of robbery
    defendants and 6% of murder defendants.

    Nearly 40% of felony defendants had an active criminal justice status at time
    of arrest

    At the time of arrest, 39% of defendants had an active criminal justice status,
    such as probation (16%), release pending disposition of a prior case (11%),
    or parole (5%). Forty-five percent of burglary defendants and 51% of motor
    vehicle theft defendants had an active criminal justice status when arrested.

    Seventy-eight percent of all defendants had been arrested previously, with
    53% having at least five prior arrest charges. Sixty-two percent of defendants
    had at least one prior conviction, including 46% with one or more felony

    Fifty-seven percent of felony defendants received a pretrial release prior to

    Forty-three percent of all defendants were detained until the court disposed
    of their case, including 6% who were denied bail. Murder defendants (88%)
    were the most likely to be detained. A majority of defendants charged with
    motor vehicle theft (61%), robbery (58%), or burglary (54%) were also
    detained until case disposition.

    Defendants with an active criminal justice status (58%) were considerably
    more likely to be detained until case disposition than those without such a
    status (33%). Defendants on parole (83%) were the most likely to be

    Defendants were most likely to be released on commercial surety bond (43%
    of all releases), followed by personal recognizance (25%), conditional release
    (16%), and deposit bond (9%) (figure 3).

    More than a third of released felony defendants committed pretrial

    An estimated 35% of released defendants committed one or more types of
    pretrial misconduct while in a release status. Among those released, 21%
    failed to appear in court as scheduled and 21% were arrested for a new

    In 2004 half of the cases were adjudicated in 85 days or less

    About a quarter of defendants had their case adjudicated within one month of
    arrest, and over half within three months. At the end of the 1-year study
    period, 88% of all cases had been adjudicated.

    About 60% of defendants were convicted of a felony

    Sixty-eight percent of cases adjudicated within one year resulted in a
    conviction. Fifty-nine percent of defendants were convicted of a felony, and
    9% of a misdemeanor. The felony conviction rate was highest for those
    originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), followed by
    driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug
    trafficking (67%). Defendants charged with assault (45%) had the lowest
    felony conviction rate.

    Nearly all (97%) convictions obtained during the 1-year study period were
    the result of a guilty plea. Eighty-seven percent of guilty pleas were to a

  45. john tucker

    To SIDEWALKER, Let me tell you something, if my child ever murders, rapes, molests or rapes a child, I will be the first one to say give him or her the death penalty! I mean it! I would hate my child if they did something like that to innocent human being, espicially a child. I could never love them again, they would be dead to me. I would never make an excuse for their behavior or blame it on society or the criminal justice system. I am sick of these families blaming Law Enforcement, the courts and the CDCR for their loved ones problems. Let me give you people a hint, it’s your husbands, wifes, childs and hommies fault for their criminal behavior! Stop trying to make the puplic feel sorry for criminals and stop saying they are treated bad, GIVE ME A BREAK!

    I am sick of liberals trying to find a reason to feel sorry for the inmates. I will make a deal with the editor, everytime one of these loved ones tries to state a case for the loved one being released, I will listen as long as I get to see the Juvenile Rap Sheet, The Adult Rap Sheet and of course their Prison Rap sheet. Like I said, I feel very bad for the inmate that has been wrongfully convicted, and I feel for the family that’s dealing with that, and I hope they get their day in court and get out if they are innocent. However, these types of cases are far and few between, especially with all the new scientific data law enforcement has today.

    On another note, I am so sick of people saying that C/O’s and Parole Agents go out of their way to not help the inmate succeed. These people want to see inmates try to better themselves, and they will even try to help the inmate or parolee succeed as long as the inmate and parolee are trying to change their behavior. C/O’s and Parole Agents are professonal people and because your inmate loved one tells you their not, I would ask you to look at the source giving you that information. Yea, that’s right, it’s your loved one who has committed numerous crimes and hates the law, what else is he going to say. He or she wants you to feel sorry for them. If you listen to this crap, then your part of the problem, because you allow your loved one to continue blaming someone else other than himself/herself, and you should be ashamed. You need to tell them to grow up and start blaming himself/herself for for their behavior. The C/O, Parole Agent, Police Officer and Sheriff did not make your loved one MURDER, RAPE, MOLEST A CHILD, SELL DRUGS, USE DRUGS or ROB, they just cought them, arrested them and then a jury found them guilty.

    Also, you hug-a-thugs act as if these inmates are doing time in the CDCR because they committed one crime. These inmates that have committed crimes like drug dealing, robbery or theft are in the CDCR because they continue to commit crimes and fail to change their criminal ways!  Also, when they get out on parole, they continue not to abide by their conditions of parole or conform to normal behavior in society like every other law abiding citizen has to. I believe people are getting sick of people making excuses for these criminals behavior. The bottom line, the majority of criminals don’t want to change and never will.

    Badge Owner, your post was awesome!   


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