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‘Why should you die for a transfer?’

July 17, 2011
On July 18, two days after they killed him, police identified the teenager as Kenneth Harding, 19, and demonized him with a heap of allegations that led one reporter to ask police accountability advocate Mesha Irizarry, "Aren't you relieved the police killed such a vicious criminal?"
Sister Halimah Allah writes from Los Angeles on July 18: “As I watch another Black man – shot down in the street like a mad dog by occupation forces paid for by our tax dollars and 456 years of dehumanization – I read accounts of the incident and wonder: What is this young man’s name? Who are his people: family, friends etc.? Does he have a mother? Does she know her son is dead? (Peace be upon him.) I’m the mother of four Black men! I’m grandma to nine grandsons. I’m great-grandma to one. I’ve seen this scene too many times in my 70 years! I wonder: WHO WILL MOURN for this young Black Man? WHO WILL MOURN for all those yet to fall at the hands of our ever-open enemies? Who will mourn for us all?”

by Willie Ratcliff

When police stopped a teenager stepping off the T-train yesterday to show his transfer as proof he’d paid his fare – $2 at most – he ran from them. They shot him as many as 10 times in the back and neck, according to witnesses. For many long minutes, as a crowd watched in horror, the boy, who had fallen to the sidewalk a block away, lay in a quickly growing pool of blood writhing in pain and trying to lift himself up as the cops trained their guns on him and threatened bystanders.

Having killed the boy at 4:44 p.m., according to the San Francisco Chronicle, in broad daylight at the main intersection – Third Street between Palou and Oakdale – in Bayview Hunters Point, San Francisco’s last largely Black neighborhood, the police seemed eager to terrorize the community. They waited and waited and waited as the teenager stopped moving but continued breathing before eventually setting him on a gurney and taking him to the hospital, where the Chronicle reports he died at 7:01 p.m.

“Why should you die for a transfer?” asked a witness known as Tiptoe in the crowd of hundreds of residents that soon gathered in the plaza at the Oakdale/Palou light rail stop. “Justice will be brought!” hollered one man repeatedly in a booming voice as the crowd shouted at the long line of police in riot gear standing between them and the dying youngster. “I saw the riot squad fly by me on Palou yesterday – five trucks in all,” wrote Bayview resident Sherry Bryson on Facebook.

As usual following police murders, the San Francisco Police Department came up with an excuse. The Chronicle relayed it: “As the officers tried to detain the man, he took off running and drew a gun, police said,” according to staff writer Joe Garofoli. “When the suspect shot at the officers, they returned fire, fatally wounding him,” he continued, quoting SFPD Sgt. Michael Andraychak.

None of the many witnesses I spoke with yesterday saw the young victim either holding or shooting a gun and firmly believe he was unarmed. ABC7’s Carolyn Tyler balanced the police claim that they shot the youngster in self-defense by interviewing Trivon Dixon, who said: “He was running. How could he be a threat in retreat? And he wasn’t running backwards, turning around shooting. He was in full throttle, running away from the police. I don’t see in any way how he could be a threat to the police.”

On Sunday, KTVU.com reported an announcement by San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr that a gun had been found which he said belonged to the victim. That police have also kicked off the usual campaign to demonize the victim is evident in KTVU noting that “the suspect had an extensive criminal record out of state.” And in another standard response to a police murder, KTVU reported, “Police patrolled the Third Street corridor Sunday with an additional 10 officers due to an increase in gun violence in the past three weeks.”

“How come a Black man can get shot for not having a transfer? How come a Black man has to be so terrorized that he feels that he has to run for not having a transfer?” ponders activist and graduate student Malaika Kambon. “These kinds of killings have not, would not, do not ever happen in white communities anywhere in the world,” she notes in a Facebook discussion.

“This is insane! They are shooting people over transfers?” exclaimed Renaldo Ricketts on Facebook. “Over a transfer – a piece of paper? That is just so wrong!” wrote Sherry Bryson.

This frame from a video shot by a bystander shows the teenager struggling to lift himself out of a pool of his own blood as a San Francisco police officer – one of several – aims his gun at the boy rather than trying to save his life. – Video frame: TheOneNonly457
“Why did they have to chase him for a transfer?” wrote Latashia Burleson, who started the discussion. “There are many people on the bus who didn’t pay. What they gone do, chase everyone down? And they wonder why they don’t get no respect or cooperation in the community. This makes my blood boil. It has to stop!”

On June 29, Bayview- and Mission District-based POWER, heading a coalition of transit and civil right activist groups that recently helped secure 12,000 free passes for low-income youth passengers, staged a demonstration calling for free Muni – free transit passes for all passengers, the San Francisco Examiner reported. The San Francisco Municipal Railway, known as Muni, has followed up major rate increases in recent years with greatly intensified police fare enforcement, imposing heavy fines and even jail time for riders who are unable to prove by showing a paper transfer that they paid their fare.

“Let’s all remember that we are second class citizens to the police. Period,” remarked Robert Pineda.

As night fell, firefighters washed the teenager's blood off the sidewalk and police and reporters talked. Rick Hauptman, who posted this photo on Facebook, noted: "The police seemed almost jolly. I saw many handshakes among them; I couldn't figure that out. Were they solely being respectful to their colleagues and to senior officers, or was it something else?”
“We have a Mafioso-type situation in San Francisco,” wrote Alan Collins, “where the police make endorsements of so-called ‘moderate’ political candidates and those candidates very often win election and you almost never hear anything from them that amounts to criticism, let alone any type of serious investigation, of the police. This has made SF a city with police who are simply unaccountable, can be assured of getting away with virtually anything, and a collection of elected officials who know that if they do anything that counters what the police want, they will be treated the way Rupert Murdoch has operated with his media empire: reward and punishment.”

“As the state has removed any illusion that it exists to serve or protect people, we can see clearly that it exists only to push us into prisons and to shoot us in cold blood. Two single dollars are worth more to them than our lives. The very existence of the police clearly endangers all of us,” concluded an anonymous writer on Indybay.

A comment on YouTube under the video, “SFPD Ruthlessly Shoots and Kills Unarmed 19yr old Man over $2 Bus Fair,” posted above, reflects the common wisdom in the community that this was a public execution with a purpose: “The white man did the same thing during slavery. They would take a Black man and whip him or kill him in front of all the slaves, to make sure the slaves got the picture of who’s in control.”

A press conference and speakout has been called for Monday noon at Third and Oakdale by the Idriss Stelley Foundation, Education Not Incarceration, the San Francisco Bay View newspaper and Poor Magazine. According to Indymedia, a protest will begin at 5 p.m. Tuesday in Dolores Park.

Bay View publisher Willie Ratcliff can be reached at publisher@sfbayview.com or (415) 671-0789.

 

275 thoughts on “‘Why should you die for a transfer?’

  1. James

    It's going to be interesting when the gun that was found at the scene of this kids stupidity is linked to the shooting in Seattle through ballistics. How will you dummies feel about that then?

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    1. Mellie

      I will feel the same way, James; that the fact that this man was indeed a criminal does not justify his murder w/o due process.

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  2. Chris

    Haha, you people asking how a gun could be found 25 feet away are pretty dumb. If the gun was in his hand because he was firing at the officers midsprint, and he fell down while running, where do you think the gun would go? I'm not sure if you guys can think at all, but metallic things seem to slide on the ground, especially with the forward momentum he had running away from them.

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  3. Truth

    this is absolutely appalling!
    police are there to enforce the law, which in turn is to PROTECT THE PEOPLE!,
    not to kill them, this is disgusting.
    R.I.P young man.

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    1. TruthMyAss

      Yeah, these black and mexican cops are there trying to protect the black people in that neighborhood and they practically get lynched. Meanwhile, white guys like me sit safely hundreds of miles away and wonder how you can be so stupid.

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  4. seamus

    Quote from the article: "…reflects the common wisdom in the community that this was a public execution with a purpose: “The white man did the same thing during slavery…"

    That's just ignorance.
    You will believe what you will believe.

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  5. Renaldo Ricketts

    Here is a 19 yr old youth his body riddled with bullets ,he's squirming on the floor crying like a worm in a pool of blood.The police claim he reason they didn't give him immediate medical attention was because they feared he still had a gun,and when they asked repeatedly for 90 seconds for him to show his hands he didn't .Have you ever hears of anything so faccan stupid, here is a youth shot 10 times or more lying in a pool of blood and he's supposed to respond with his hands up as he drags himself in agony in a cesspool of blood . This police version of what happened is to be filed under science fiction. They claim he ran from them and was simultaneously fired at them. He must have been the incredible rubber man, to have pulled off such a fantastic feat. Their version of what happened is the closest thing I've seen to a cartoon.

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  6. Renaldo Ricketts

    Asking the teen to show his hands after blasting his back open with 10 bullets of more, just think for a second if you were shot one times do you think you could show your hands laying in a spool of your own blood. Their version and concept of events resembles fantasy island,in order to grasp it I will need to find my midget buddy and put on my white suit and yell the plane the plane they are playing bullshit again on the plane.boss. Fantasy Island revisited. We need to wake up and smell reality it's waiting for you !

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    1. TiredoftheBS

      Well, I guess if I had just opened fire on Police officers, I'd be thinking "I'm fucked! I really shouldn't have done that".
      They handled it poorly, but none of this wouldn't have happened had he not been a parolee who fled, a parolee carrying a weapon or a parolee who shot at the police while running from them. You make comment after comment condemning the police for his death when Harding was to blame for his own demise.
      You want Fantasy Island? Keep your eyes closed and keep imagining that the police are to blame for everything and that you have been and forever will be right.

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  7. augustineRed

    I can't believe you supporters are more upset about the police killing him than the guy killing a pregnant black woman. If a white guy had shot and killed a pregnant black woman then everyone would be up in arms, but since he was black, where is the indignation? Where is the anger? Oh it's at the police who you all have made to be the badguys in your head. Yes there are bad cops, but not all cops are bad, and not all situations like this are 'they are out to get us' sort of situations. Grow up.

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    1. Mellie

      "Criminals" do kill innocent people….all of the time. And yes, it is an outrage, whenever any innocent live(s) are taken. But the fact is, is that the police are supposedly hired as law-enforcement agents, not assassins.
      The principle, imo, has nothing to do about race at all. The paper may have run this story irresponsibly, but the fact remains….the cops shot down a dude who was in retreat and then let him lay dying in the street. These are not the types of individuals who I feel I can trust to "serve and protect" the people. If your fear and violent reactions can take over your common sense and self-control…. and then your human compassion…you have no right to be in a position of power and responsibility as a "servant of the people."
      This kid should have been apprehended, not killed, and awaiting a trial. Not because I believe in the judicial system as it exists, but because if we can condone this one incident as "ok," then we open the doors for continued atrocities committed by the often-"above-the-law-"police, which in time will only grow worse.

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  8. Xander Harris

    Black folks will maytor and march for ANY kind of dead Black kid that was shot by a law enforcement official, even if it’s a serial rapist like Lovelle Mixon or this child pimp, just so long as the kid is Black and killed by the police.

    That’s the difference between Blacks and most other races. White people don’t give other White child molesters a pass just because they’re White. We judge those people based on their character.

    Black people don’t do this. By and large, the majority of them will completely ignore the person’s character and give the kid a pass just because of the color of his skin.

    So who’s being racist now, Bayview?

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    1. seamus

      There's a lot of that going around. Note the Shawna Forde murders and trial. There's white people out there who cannot accept that Forde (a "Minuteman") murdered a Hispanic family (leaving one wounded). It's just like this website, political desire trumps facts. Some people get overwhelmed by what they WANT the truth to be.

      It's not just a black thing. Just go to Fox News to see white people giving whites a pass on all kinds of stuff.

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  9. Vito Tums

    Why are police checking fairs and giving tickets to people on the platform. Shouldn't they be checking for transfers of people that are on the tram. The police obviously over reacted. Now that is clear.

    They tell the media that the teen was a person of interest in a Seattle murder case of a pregnant teen. That he was a felon. If they were so sure their shooting him in the back was so justified. Why would they tell the media all his dirt. Obviously, because they know that the media will print it.

    In on going investigations police don't reveal these types of facts. Oh yeah but he's dead. That makes it ok. What about his family. They have to see the name of their child thrown even further into the mud. Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty.

    He may be guilty of discharging a weapon in the city and possibly guilty of possessing an unregistered gun, etc, and yes, he could have hurt someone but he didn't, and no one could say if he would have, except God. but his actions are not crimes that carry a death sentence. If he harmed someone, then he would have to answer for it, but trial by police we do not need.

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    1. Mellie

      "…but his actions are not crimes that carry a death sentence. If he harmed someone, then he would have to answer for it, but trial by police we do not need."

      Exactly.

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    2. Advocate

      How did they overreact?? HE SHOT AT THEM. Are they just supposed to wait for him for him to stop shooting when he's ready, then charge him with "discharging a weapon"? Any time you start shooting, especially when you're a MURDER SUSPECT, you give the police good reason to shoot your ass. He raised the stakes in this situation, and he got what he deserved.

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      1. Vito Tums

        Oh, you are right. I am wrong. They should have shot him a couple more times for good measure. Asshole deserved to die like that. I hope his mother gets to see the video. How she could raise such a messed up kid.

        Satisfied?

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        1. Vito Tums

          If you haven't figured it out I am being grossly sarcastic to make a point. The man was a human being, and he might not have been a good human being, but he was a human being, and if we loose sight of this and get wrapped up in the media's muckraking of his life. Then we loose track of the issue.

          It is my humble opinion that police did not have to kill him, but it seems that the police are getting out of control. They are not the only ones, but they are armed and trained in military tactics. These tactics are not good for public safety. Say what you will about Kenneth Harding but the issue is larger than his death. Though his death I reckon will be soon forgotten. Leaving us with this problem.

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          1. Justified

            You're a fucking moron. Let's see him shoot at you and see if you feel the same way.

            Bleeding heart prick.

  10. nobama_2012

    good riddance. he was a POS. he had a gun and the cops defended themselves. one less low life scumbag breathing my air.

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  11. augustineRed

    Yes let's toss out the facts with and focus on the sensationalism, Vito. That's productive.

    He didn't hurt anyone in this instance, but he did kill an innocent pregnant black woman doing the very same thing, shooting indescriminately. He was also convicted of pimping a 14 yr old girl. Is this someone you really want to make a martyr for your 'cause'?

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    1. Vito Tums

      Augustine you are the sensationalist. The Seattle PD wanted him for questioning but could not confirm that he was the shooter. Even if he was the shooter. Do we want to gun down people in the streets rather than take them to court.

      By the way he is not a martyr. He's just dead. Augustine you should really take a step back. Seems they found residue but this was handled very badly. It was a military style takedown. We need to retrain our police to not use military type tactics, and yes this could put them in jeopardy but that's the job.

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  12. Deejay

    Your reporting is insanely horrible and vague of the truth. This kind of so called, "Journalism." Is exactly why journalism is so worthless in America. Black cop shot a black man. And who was the other cop? He was Hispanic. The race card should be put away just as fast as its been pulled out.

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  13. Poor and Weird

    Sad that so many of you are so racist, what happened here was tragic the situation could have been handled better. To try and point fingers on second hand information is a little silly, No-one other than those directly involved know what happened, we can speculate all we want as to who's fault it is that this young mans life is over. The truth of the matter is, no gun ever saved anyone's life. They take lives. They wont give you CPR, or call an ambulance. A gun wont go into a burning building to save you. When coupled with the passion of human emotion all guns do is harm those they were made to protect, wounding them physically or emotionally for life. If there were no guns on the streets there would be no more gun related murders committed by either cops or criminals.

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  14. augustineRed

    Was this guy racist?
    "There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs."

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  15. Fritz Krysler

    The truth will, hopefully, come out. If he shot at the police, he got what he deserved. If not, the cops who fired should go to prison. Interestingly, the man in the pink shirt from 1:08 to 1:16 looks like he has a gun tucked into his back. Check it out!

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    1. Cheese

      It doesn't matter WHO he was shooting at. When you pull out a gun and start shooting, you are putting the public in danger. The police are there to protect the public. See how this works?

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  16. Mellie

    "Criminals" do kill innocent people….all of the time. And yes, it is an outrage, whenever any innocent live(s) are taken. But the fact is, is that the police are supposedly hired as law-enforcement agents, not assassins.
    The principle, imo, has nothing to do about race at all. The paper may have run this story irresponsibly, but the fact remains….the cops shot down a dude who was in retreat and then let him lay dying in the street. These are not the types of individuals who I feel I can trust to "serve and protect" the people. If your fear and violent reactions can take over your common sense and self-control…. and then your human compassion…you have no right to be in a position of power and responsibility as a "servant of the people."
    This kid should have been apprehended, not killed, and awaiting a trial. Not because I believe in the judicial system as it exists, but because if we can condone this one incident as "ok," then we open the doors for continued atrocities committed by the often-"above-the-law-"police, which in time will only grow worse.

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    1. cheesy

      Hey, moron. He shot at the cops. They found the gun. They found gunpowder residue on his cold, dead hands. When you shoot indiscriminantly in a busy street, you forfeit any right to continue living. The cops did the right thing: take this psycho asshole off the earth. Good riddance. He deserve to die.

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  17. chris

    Just make sure you burn down the police station when you riot rather then your own damn neighborhood…..

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  18. augustineRed

    Mellie, he had a gun and was shooting at the police. I'd like to see you just 'apprehend' a guy shooting indescriminately at you with a gun. The guy killed a pregnant black woman by doing the same exact thing in Seattle. How can you say they were not protecting the people in the area?

    Also, there was literally nothing they could do for the guy once he was on the ground other than call and wait for paramedics. CPR doesn't work like it does in the movies, CPR is only useful for cardiac arrest, not bullet wounds. In fact it would have only quickened his bleeding out.

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    1. Mellie

      Let's say also for the sake of the argument, that he did shoot at the police, that that is a 100% proven fact. I understand the "human" reaction of self-defense. But it is also my understanding that police are trained to use restraint when using their weapons, and are taught how to use them properly. If it were proven that he struck someone, I further understand the human-reaction of the police indiscriminately firing *their* weapons in return. But that was not the case. Rather than being wounded, he was shot fatally, multiple times.
      Indiscriminate use of force. Again, the role of the police is to "serve and protect." They are *trained* to handle these types of situations, and not to let their instincts get the better of them. This goes waaay beyond "protection" in my opinion, but see it as you will.
      And again, the cops had no knowledge of his history, and I doubt were acting out of concern for any of the possibly-pregnant women in the area. =/ Point being, the situation was mishandled. And if that wasn't dispairing enough, we have all of these folks justifying it away because of character-assumptions…a total distraction from the relevant issues at hand.

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      1. Justified

        No it wasn't.

        There is no sake of argument. He did. Gunpowder residue was found on his hands.

        And as the above to Vito- let's put a gun in your fucking hands while some fleeing man fires wildly at you and your family.

        See how you react.

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  19. augustineRed

    How about instead of rioting and turning violent, Chris, why not take King's approach and raise up your children to be solid educated members of society rather than putting violent thugs on a pedastal?

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  20. Mellie

    Considering that the highest branches of Govt have been known to create dishonest justifications for their reasons of waging and perpetuating Wars in other countries which result in untold civilian casualty, aka, "collateral damage," I think we shouldn't be so quick to assume that the story we are now being told about this young man's history is an absolute irrefutable "truth."
    But for the sake of the argument, let's say that this man was indeed a criminal, a serial-killer even.
    Well unfortunately, the guy wasn't gunned down for his criminal-record, he was gunned-down because he was RUNNING AWAY and because he *may have* discharged a weapon.
    For all the police knew at the time, he could have been mentally ill, or he may have just been high, or holding some drugs!
    How is it that a person is killed for running from the cops and it is found justifiable based on alleged information about him discovered after-the-fact? The initial action of the shooting which led to his death has no basis in a *later-determined* justification.
    Seriously, are we as a people ok w/ condoning the notion that if you run, you get popped? I actually saw this happen to a man, yet w/ a taser rather than bullets. The cops were just a few feet behind him, and honestly even that seemed unnecessary and was pretty disturbing.
    Police *used to be* trained to use their weapons only as a last resort. Now it's more like "shoot first, rationalize it later."
    And then the rest of us jump on the "rationalization band-wagon." Is this just indifference and inhumanity, or a lack to think for oneself?

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    1. Not an Idiot

      This is idiotic. He got shot for shooting at the police. "Get high" and shoot at the police, they will shoot you. "Hold some drugs" and shoot at police, they will shoot you. Run from and shoot at police, they will shoot you. NO ONE is saying he was shot because of his previous history or because of any reason other than shooting at the police.

      I will put it very simply for all the people with comprehension problems on this site: He got shot because he was shooting at the police.

      It was people from the community who saw him with the the gun, saw him shoot the gun, saw the gun on the ground, and ultimately helped recover the gun from whoever grabbed it. Do you think the guy who filmed it all and was on the news was fake? An actor? Planted by police? Lying?

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  21. mark

    He fired at the police, the police returned fire. What did u expect the police to do? Additionally, if you had a gun and someone fired at you, what would u do? probably shoot back to protect your own damn life.

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    1. Mellie

      See comment above to augustineRed.

      Btw, I am not trained in gun-use, so I'd probably actually pose less of threat.

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      1. anonymous

        If you were not trained, you would actually pose more of a threat to yourself and those around you. If you're spraying bullets indiscriminately, an innocent is bound to be hit.

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  22. augustineRed

    Mellie, I'll say this again. He had a gun and was shooting at the police.
    There isn't a grand conspiracy here. He was shooting at the police while he was running away and got shot before he could injure/kill anyone like he did in Seattle . Why is that so difficult to comprehend? please stop playing the victim card every. single. time. something like this happens. Stop crying wolf, because it cheapens the times where an injustice really does take place.

    This is not one of those times.

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  23. augustineRed

    I just read up on Mixon. Seriously? You all tout him as a hero? The child rapist? You all are f'ed up in the head. I wish the best for you, but honestly if you are at the point where you lift up a child raping cop killer as a hero then things are looking grim. Dr King and Booker T Washington would be sorely disappointed in what you all have become.

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  24. Jon Robert

    I watched the video. I don't know what happened before the video. But it is the most shocking video I have every seen. The Police look dazed. They are not even watching as people come up behind them. The crowed in screaming and mad. But no one not the police and not anyone else is working to save that child. He is very much alive and bleeding horribly and neither the police nor the crowd try to help him. The Police looked totally lost they are not clearing the area they are not telling people to back off. Police are walking up to and past some of the police but no one talks to the dying child. Some one should have told him to lie still someone should have held him to stop the bleeding. The police don't look worried about him shooting them but they don't help. The crow is too angry. Yell your going to lose your job and where is the ambulance. But couldn't have someone have help that child?

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    1. black_thought

      He isn't a child. He *was* nineteen.
      Y'know who *is* a child? The 13 year old girl he was pimping for up in Seattle.

      Kenneth deserved to die.

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      1. Jon Robert

        We are all Children of God no matter what we do. Yes we need to stop all the violence. Violence does not stop violence! Raise up above your violent ways and find your own way!

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  25. Xander Harris

    Another thing about Black folks.

    Black folks don’t care about their females. Little girls, proud females, single moms, their own daughters, their own moms. Black men don’t care about females, you’re just another b*tch to them.

    Look at Lovelle Mixon

    Dude raped several females in the Bay Area and amonst the most so called radicall leftist support of that piece of human garbage I never once heard anyone say a prayer to the females he raped.

    Look at this thread.

    Can you find any of this punks supporters that have stopped to say a prayer to the pregnant girl that got murdered or the 13-year-old girl that this punk raped and then later tried to pimp out when she was 14?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    Pay attention females.

    This is what Black folks think about you.

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    1. MiamiBro

      Black folks have a problem with love of self. Male or female old or young. We need to tell that truth. We simply cannot fight the power if we don't have the ability to love and respect ourselves. It is actually that simple. We invite the police to shoot us down like a cancer when we fail to deal with this kind of monstrous behavior within our community. If we have any consideration, love or hope for our community we must fight so that this line will not be able to ring truthful. "They're animals anyway. Let them lose their souls." The Godfather I. Oh and let's not forget that there are things happening in our community that ANIMALS DO NOT DO TO EACH OTHER!

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  26. MiamiBro

    See you folks at the rally……..

    Harding, then 18, was initially charged with second degree rape of a child as well as attempted promoting prostitution, following allegations that he had sex with the 13-year-old whom he delivered to the Seattle Center area on Jan. 7, 2010.

    Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Pimp-shot-

    We need to get the BS out our lives yesterday.

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  27. Xander Harris

    How about you, Sister Halimah Allah?

    Ever think to say a prayer to the pregnant girl that got murdered or the 13-year-old girl that this punk raped and then later tried to pimp out when she was 14?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    This is what Black folks think about you.

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  28. jt.

    I just have to say: When the gas explosions in San Bruno happened, several "witnesses" claimed a plain had crashed into the buildings. None of the witnesses would in good conscious tell the truth about the situation, these are the same folks who believe snitches should be "in stitches" after all. It is a community with a deep and often misguided mistrust of the law.

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    1. natalie213

      These are the same people? Aren't you painting with a wide brush? How about if I say THESE PEOPLE are the ones who gun down innocent people in the streets (meaning white people because ONE white person did it). Right? That is exactly how ignorant you sound. I think YOU, as an individual, have a deep and often misguided trust for anything the cops tell you. Pathetic.

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  29. jack scandal

    he had a gun, their are just bad people out there.
    think twice next time i take the T. some teenager could be packin heat

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    1. natalie213

      You should be more worried about the cops. What killings have taken place on MUNI and BART that were perpetrated by normal people? NONE. They are all killer cops.

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  30. @AntMoOAK

    Black folk WAKE UP… stop protecting thugs that terrorize our neighborhoods and people. This cat wasn't shot because he evaded fare. He was shot because he chose to fire on 5-0. That'll get you popped every time and justified. If he'd shot at the average dude on the street, you'd fired back also.To boot, this dude is convicted of raping (statutory) a young sistah, trying to turn out another-among other crimes AND wanted in conjunction of the burtal murder another young sistah and her unborn baby . WTF is wrong with ya'll ? Then if that wasn't bad enough, ya'll let these white, outside anarchist agitators come in and rile ya'll up and riot and tear up our stuff- not because they give a damn about this guy or any of our black asses- but to advance their cause of causing havoc. Ya'll some stupid mofo's. Tell me I'm lyin.

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  31. miltown

    This is the worst newspaper in the history of movable type. I am simply in awe of how bad it is. And it's bad on so many levels–inflammatory, one-sided, rushing to damaging conclusions, bereft of logic, reason, or sound journalism. It's the Hidenburg of periodicals.

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    1. natalie213

      It's also against the law to run a red light. Do the cops have the right to shoot you for violating the law? I thought we had courts and due process and all that?

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    2. vito tums

      Get real. That doesn't cut it man. Don't run? What kind of stupid stuff is that. Spoken like someone really
      out of touch.

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  32. Selina

    Regardless of our self hate

    How does it make it right for someone outside of the communities we dominate
    to brazenly commit murder on people based on their color, based on a
    assumed criminal pass.

    When the same is never done to those who not of African descent who may have a criminal pass
    who maybe a member of notoris gang like someone of Latin Descent-MS-13 who's know for violent behavior blacks and their own race.

    Yeah I admit we got issues no doubt but I wont apauled any BEAST-Caucasoid
    repeate violent attacks on us

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    1. TiredoftheBS

      There was no assumed criminality. He ran because he knew he was on parole in another state and was carrying a gun. He ran, shot at the police and got shot. PERIOD.

      You shoot at the police, you get shot at. it's a pretty simple cycle and you know it won't go any other way. So next time, step down from your pedestal and take a grammar class, no one can understand your last sentence of gibberish..

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  33. natalie213

    This is the FIRST and ONLY article I have read that gives the real story. The Chron article backflips all over the place: He had a gun but the gun wasn't found? All the video shows no gun, all the witnesses say no gun. The bottom line here is that this young man was killed over a Muni transfer and all of you who think that's ok better realize that your kid could be next.

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    1. TiredoftheBS

      It won't be your kid next when you start teaching them not to pull weapons on the police. Maybe if you stopped acting like the victim and started taking responsibility for your actions, your kids would catch on and not pull guns on cops.

      How about you take your own advice and learn the facts. The kid had gun residue on his hands, meaning he'd shot a gun recently. He wasn't killed over a muni transfer, he was killed because he ran from the cops instead of paying a fine. He ran because he knew his past and whether or not the police at the scene knew this info (which they didn't, not like he gave them a chance to run a background check on him first) and he knew that he'd be arrested for parole violation as well as illegally carrying an unregistered handgun in SF.

      This entire "Dying over a transfer" news is such bullshit. HE DIED FOR SHOOTING AT A COP WHO RETURNED FIRE BECAUSE THE COP DECIDED HE DID NOT WANT TO DIE OR RISK OTHERS IN THE AREA BEING INJURED. You can't accept that? Grow up and realize this isn't the past.

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      1. natalie213

        He did not shoot at a cop. I'm the one who should be tired of the BS. You are probably a patriotic American running around waving a flag and extolling the virtues of the constitution of the U.S. But then, hey, extra-judicial execution by the police? NO PROBLEM. Wtf is wrong with you? Where you allow the police to be repressive and murderous, none of us are safe. I won't even reach for my wallet if a cop pulls me over because they are so quick to kill.

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  34. Jon Robert

    I will say it again the violence goes on the police and the community. Regardless of what happened before the video the video show that the police and the community together didn't care help the person lying on the ground bleeding to death.

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  35. Jon Robert

    And ya how stupid of all the White Lefties rioting in the Mission. They don't have the nerve to come down to
    3rd street. They claim solidarity but they tell all their friends how violent 3rd street is. The mission has a high crime rate but they are still more scared of 3rd street.

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  36. Jon Robert

    The community needs to deal with the problems with the SFPD but also we as a community we need to deal with the fact that our anger kill this kid as much as the police billet. The angry yelling didn't get him care while he bled to death. The lack of care about his crimes before this also didn't help. We need to be a community that works to support our better selves!

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  37. kopns

    Regardless of the innocence of this kid, the police can definitely abuse their power. While it's not always the case, some departments do play politics to gain power, and their corruption makes a bad name for all police. I don't know much about the police in the area in question, but it sounds like they may be similar to the corrupted police of New Orleans. For decades New Orleans police teamed up with the cities politicians to have complete power and no questions asked. They outright murdered people and got away with it. Whether the killing of this boy was just or not, there could very well be the same situation in this community. If so, I hope justice will come to it's people. Such corruption in the police department sends a message of hate and disrespect amongst a community, which only leads to more crime and civil unrest.

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  38. Ralph

    Pathetic article. Make more excuses to demonize the police, please. It really goes to show how prejudice is used as a cop out by so many Americans today, instead of them taking responsibility for their own actions. I mean seriously? You're referencing slavery over a wanted felon gets killed for shooting at police in the streets? Stop pedaling ignorance, you're bringing yourself down.

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  39. perla

    I am not upset that they shot him, after all he did runaway and it wasn't for nothing. However I don't see how he is just left in the ground to bleed out and no one comes to his aid. If someone cover the wound to make it stop bleeding he might of survived. They just left him there like an animal.

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  40. David

    Where are the protest over the citizens killing each other. Where was the outrage when I a kind gental person who will go out of my way to help anyone who askes was mugged by a young black guy who was wearing about a $400 designer peacoat $200 plus jeans and beautiful perfect formed dreads (not cheap). this guy was indited by a jury of his peers of the crime of killing a woman and her unborn child. People running from the ungodly things they have done in the past and could cost them their freedom for life will do anything to escape including killing young social activist who seek to make the world a much better place.

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  41. testing27

    Hey folks, this guy is suspected of murdering a pregnant black woman in Seattle and had power burns on his hands. This is a guy you should be glad is off the streets.

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  42. Crew Chief

    It's pretty simple to figure out…. don't commit a crime and the police probably aren't gonna mess with you… they asked him a question… he ran… he shot at the cops… the cops shot back. You better believe if you shoot at me… you're gonna have 10 times as many rounds coming right back at you…

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