Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?

An interview wit’ former WBAI programmer Don Debar

by The People’s Minister of Information JR

On-the-air-sign, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views Don Debar is a longtime programmer at WBAI, the Pacifica radio station in New York City. A number of strange things have been going on in the Pacifica Foundation for years that are currently bringing the foundation to the brink of extinction because of mismanagement, lawsuits, and other factors too numerous to list that people associated with the network nationwide, like myself, could tell you about.

The Pacifica radio network, founded along with KPFA in Berkeley in 1949 by Lew Hill, a formerly imprisoned anti-war activist, grew to comprise five stations nationwide, adding KPFK in Los Angeles, WBAI in New York, KPFT in Houston and WPFW in Washington, D.C. Together they reach a potential audience of 45 million people. Pacifica invented public radio; since the beginning, Pacifica stations have been sponsored by listeners, with no corporate sponsorship or underwriting and thus no censorship.

But the network faces many dire issues that its listeners need to know and that WBAI programmer Don Debar can knowledgeably talk about. Check out what Pacifica has not been telling its listener supporters …

M.O.I. JR: What is the history of WBAI? How did you get started with WBAI? When?

KPFA-transmitter-59000-watts-304-tall-on-1500-Grizzley-Peak-in-Berkeley-Hills, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views Don Debar: WBAI was gifted by philanthropist Louis Schweitzer in 1960 to Pacifica, which has operated it ever since. I began listening in the late 1960s, in my late teens. I’ve been a regular listener since the Watergate hearings were aired in 1973.

As I became active in various struggles in my community, I began to have contact with a number of producers at BAI, particularly Errol Maitland, Sharan Harper and Bernard White. This grew into a relationship, beginning in about 2002, where I became a regular contributor to the morning program Wakeup Call, producing a weekly segment covering the communities in the region north of NYC, as well as coverage of various special events, such as the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York.

Ultimately, by 2007, I became the morning news headlines editor for Wakeup Call, traveled the country in 2008 covering the presidential campaign of Cynthia McKinney and the Democratic and Republican national conventions, and began to produce regular special events coverage for Wakeup Call.

M.O.I. JR: What is the history behind WBAI’s financial troubles with Pacifica?

Don Debar: The basis of the financial problems that have faced WBAI was the 15-year lease that Pacifica, under then executive director Pat Scott (who tried to make Pacifica more mainstream – ed.) signed with Larry Silverstein in 1997 that ultimately led to annual rent of more than $375,000 a year for their studio and offices at 120 Wall St.

KPFK-tower, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views This was done against the advice and express wishes of the staff at WBAI, but it was forced down their throat by Pacifica’s management. The cost of this space exceeded the cost of all other real estate for the other four stations combined. The result was that WBAI went from being the largest net funder of Pacifica to its greatest cash-flow liability.

M.O.I. JR: How did Hurricane Sandy affect WBAI? How did it affect the network as a whole?

Don Debar: Although WBAI suffered service and studio access interruption as a result of Sandy, the role of this in the station’s much larger set of problems has been greatly exaggerated by management. For example, WBAI did not have to suddenly move last year as a consequence of Sandy. Rather, the term of the lease ended Dec. 31, 2012, Pacifica was many months in arrears – and this was a chronic problem for the entire time since the current management took over – and the landlord decided to kick them out.

The date of the lease’s end was known since it was first entered into in 1997; it was specified in the lease. The eviction crisis was a result of management failing to make provisions for new space until they were being evicted. Had Nia Bediako not made arrangements with CUNY (City University of New York) for the temporary space currently housing the station, WBAI would have been homeless. Again, this had nothing to do with Sandy and everything to do with gross mismanagement.

WBAI-tower-on-Empire-State-Building-by-Doc-Searles, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views The irony here is the fact that the purge of Tony Riddle and Bernard White from WBAI by the current management in 2009 was based on a false claim that WBAI’s management had failed to pay the rent and brought the station within three days of eviction. In fact, it was Pacifica which had caused the problem when it refused to either fund the solution or attempt to renegotiate the lease.

The notorious “three-day notice” that was waved around by Grace Aaron, Steve Brown and Mitchel Cohen is not notice of a pending eviction but, rather, that the rent is in arrears and unless arrangements are made in the three-day period to correct it, an eviction proceeding – which lasts several months in New York City – might be commenced.

M.O.I. JR: What is going on with Pacifica’s 501(c)(3) status? Is it illegal for Pacifica to be collecting funds for programming?

Don Debar: Pacifica’s corporate charter is based in California. It came to light earlier this year that Pacifica’s management had failed to file the required documents with the California authorities and, as a consequence, its corporate charter was suspended. As of March 19, 2013, the date of the most recent data posted at the California Secretary of State’s website, it remains suspended. Under California law, the corporation is no longer authorized to conduct business, appear in court to prosecute or defend litigation, or perform any other operations other than prepare and file the required documents for reinstatement.

Update: Pacifica is back on active status with the California Secretary of State as of March 22.

According to the IRS, when a 501(c)(3) entity has its charter suspended or revoked, its status as a 501(c)(3) entity is also suspended. In order to reinstate its status with IRS, the corporation has to be revived under the appropriate state process, and evidence of this, along with an official statement from the state authorities detailing the term of the suspension, must be filed with an application for reinstatement of 501(c)(3) status.

KPFT-tower, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views Although it is unclear how IRS will treat funds collected during the suspension – that is, whether IRS will impose a tax and penalties on donors who contributed during the period of the suspension – it is clear that each representation made during the suspension that donations were tax deductible was false. In other words, each time someone went on the air and said that “your contribution will be tax deductible,” they were making a false statement, since these funds solicited and/or collected during the suspension were only prospectively deductible, dependent upon the filing of corrective documents with the state and IRS and their acceptance for reinstatement.

Again, this has yet to be accomplished as of March 19, 2013, and it is unclear how IRS will treat this.

M.O.I. JR: Why is Pacifica in court in New York?

Don Debar: Aside from being evicted from their offices and studios at 120 Wall St. earlier this year, WBAI is in the process of being evicted from the transmission tower on the Empire State Building. Here, too, there has been a chronic arrearage in rent, and the landlord decided they’d had enough and began eviction proceedings.

Without the tower, WBAI is off the air and at grave danger of losing its license to broadcast. Mimi Rosenberg, a Legal Aid attorney who produced the program Building Bridges, secured legal counsel – at no cost – to attempt to resolve the matter, after management had brought the station within days of eviction. The matter is pending.

M.O.I. JR: With what is happening with Pacifica as a whole, as well as the issues with WBAI, WPFW and KPFA, where do you see Pacifica in 10 years?

WPFW-tower, Is Pacifica one foot in the grave?, News & Views Don Debar: As detailed above, Pacifica as a whole is suffering from gross mismanagement. The decimation of progressive programming at WBAI, firing of Black management around the network beginning with the takeover of WBAI in 2009, and operation of the foundation by interim managers with no experience in managing an enterprise of this size, nature has brought it to a state where its once flagship, 50,000 watt station in NYC is homeless and at risk of being off the air in the next month. In addition, Pacifica has lost its corporate charter and 501(c)(3) status and is at risk of perhaps millions in tax liability to donors who believed they were giving to a valid 501(c)(3) entity.

In fact, Pacifica even lost its name. While its charter was suspended, another corporation was formed in California using the name Pacifica Foundation Inc., resulting in Pacifica having to change its name to Pacifica Foundation Radio in order to proceed with its attempt to revive the corporation. Without good management, I do not think Pacifica will exist by the end of the year.

M.O.I. JR: How could people keep up with info dealing with Pacifica?

Don Debar: We are beginning to open a discussion on internet radio station Community Progressive Radio, which airs at, and invite producers and others interested in saving Pacifica to participate. Thus far, there are several former Pacifica producers who have regular programs on CPRmetro, including myself and Bernard White, the purged program director from WBAI, as well as several current Pacifica producers.

Since management has been keeping all of these problems secret until they reach the stage of crisis, we will have to inform ourselves and each other if Pacifica is to survive their mismanagement.

The People’s Minister of Information JR is associate editor of the Bay View, author of “Block Reportin’” and filmmaker of “Operation Small Axe” and “Block Reportin’ 101,” available, along with many more interviews, at He also hosts two weekly shows on KPFA 94.1 FM and The Morning Mix every Wednesday, 8-9 a.m., and The Block Report every other Friday night-Saturday morning, midnight-2 a.m. He can be reached at